What's you opinion on the Crown CE 1000 amp?

[tylertomsick]

I currently have a Crown DC300A-II Amplifier and I am looking to upgrade. I am looking at the Crown CE 1000 or the Crown XLS402. What are the opinions of these two? Is there another that I should consider with comperable power to the DC300A-II? Thanks for you time.

[gate]

[gate]

> I currently have a Crown DC300A-II Amplifier
> and I am looking to upgrade. I am looking at
> the Crown CE 1000 or the Crown XLS402. What
> are the opinions of these two? Is there
> another that I should consider with
> comperable power to the DC300A-II? Thanks
> for you time.

ce 1000-2000-4000 are good amp technologies for the price and era,,,,
but one thing as to be consider
the dc300 is still today one of the flatest high damping factor on the market
if you use this amp with a absolute flat preamp,,,, you should keep it
i would not change amp for a ce 1000
maybe a 2000 or a 4000 only if you require more power
apart from that,,,,, the dc300 is still a reference today
or go with a k1 or k2,,, but not ce series
my 2 cents

[tylertomsick]

thank you very much gate!

[gate]

> thank you very much gate!
hey no problem
you may want to take a look at electrovoice power amp.... and mackie fr1400
as theire thd is way way low in fact these 2 brands have the lowest thd on the market ( pro amp talking ) with greather then 350 damping factor,,,,
slew rate at 50volts at normal and 100volts at bridge operation,,,,,
the crown will sound a bit more tigh but their thd is a bit higher,,,
also their slew rate is lower around 13 or 26 volts wich make them a bit less ideal if you want to push high power over longer cable
but if you really want the best of both world,,
get yourself a crest power amp
ca serie like ca6 or 9 or 12,,,,,
1000 damping factor high power super heavy duty power supply class h on top of it,,,
and fairly cheap
or get yourself the supra v1500 crest not the vs th v series,,, oh yeah
i did try them all
very tight and punchy
but if you like your sound round and smooth and powerfully clean ev, and mackie are the way to go

[gate]

> hey no problem
> you may want to take a look at electrovoice
> power amp.... and mackie fr1400
> as theire thd is way way low in fact these 2
> brands have the lowest thd on the market (
> pro amp talking ) with greather then 350
> damping factor,,,,
> slew rate at 50volts at normal and 100volts
> at bridge operation,,,,,
> the crown will sound a bit more tigh but
> their thd is a bit higher,,,
> also their slew rate is lower around 13 or
> 26 volts wich make them a bit less ideal if
> you want to push high power over longer
> cable
> but if you really want the best of both
> world,,
> get yourself a crest power amp
> ca serie like ca6 or 9 or 12,,,,,
> 1000 damping factor high power super heavy
> duty power supply class h on top of it,,,
> and fairly cheap
> or get yourself the supra v1500 crest not
> the vs th v series,,, oh yeah
> i did try them all
> very tight and punchy
> but if you like your sound round and smooth
> and powerfully clean ev, and mackie are the
> way to go
as for me
my living room sound system is the following
carver c1 pre-amp
1- dsp8024 2x31band equal
1- fbq 231 beringher
1- x34 audio logic 3 way stereo adjustable frequency electronic crossover
1-fr1200 mackie
1-fr1400 mackie
1-fr2600 mackie
operated as follow
the fr1200 in the high section 8 ohms 200w/rms
the fr2600 in the mid bass to 5000 at 8 ohms 500w/rms
in the fr1400 brided mono ( cut at 180hz and down ) 8 ohms at 1000 wats rwms
signal source fully 24 bit digital from the computer,,, ( im a dj so i do my workwith traktor DJ 3.0 )
beleive me guys,,,,, with my twin dual 15 inches sub in the living room,,,,,,
i can comb your hair with the sound
the system is drawind 75 amps wich id supplied by another electrical entrance of 125 amps customized by me ( i work in the wire and cable industries )
i use this system bith for work and pleasure in my living room

[gate]

> thank you very much gate!

another reason to look at mackie power amp is this one
they are design to keep on working even with only 63% of current and 5% voltage lag,,,,,
in other words,,,,, if you'de put a dimmer on the line and turn it down 30% the amp would still keep going,,,,, ive seen it and it is in there specs,,,,,,
try that with any other trade mark,,,,,,,
crest is clipping right away
qsc quits second,,,,, as for crown,,,, i could not check it out,,,,,

[wg_ski]

> I currently have a Crown DC300A-II Amplifier
> and I am looking to upgrade. I am looking at
> the Crown CE 1000 or the Crown XLS402. What
> are the opinions of these two? Is there
> another that I should consider with
> comperable power to the DC300A-II? Thanks
> for you time.

The CE1000 isn't anywhere near the amplifier that the DC300A is. They would rate the DC300A at 1200 watts (600x2, 2 ohms) by today's lax standards. The CE2000 can put out *more*, but it's not as conservatively designed. The CE4000 is an entirely different beast (some variant of class D, which has less heat load), and the price reflects this.

[Paul O]

Shouldn't be much of a problem getting more power than a DC300 these days. As with all things, the cheapest products from a manufacturer will have the least features and worst performance. Both the amps mentioned are good entry-level products, the XLS newer and more compact than the CE. Neither are feature rich, but should perform well withing thier design envelope. The CE4000 by rights, should not be in this class becaure it's closer to a MacroTech in features and performamnce than it's smaller brothers. Other's to consider would be the QSC RMX and PLX, The Yamaha P Series II, as well as the Crest/PV series.

[tylertomsick]

I guess I should specify that this amp is used in a high school choir setting. Maybe this will guide you suggestions in different direction. Not sure how much power I need in this application. Maybe this info will make a difference. - Tyler

[Paul O]

> I guess I should specify that this amp is
> used in a high school choir setting. Maybe
> this will guide you suggestions in different
> direction. Not sure how much power I need in
> this application. Maybe this info will make
> a difference. - Tyler

OK.. so what are the requirements and/or wants. Does the DC300 "do the job" right now with the speakers in use?
What load do these speakers present?
Is portability or weight an issue?
Is fan noise an issue?
Would features like soft turn-on, limiters, built-in filters be an asset?
Does it have to run stereo/dual mono or do you need bridged power?

[bobleeqsc]

Damping factor will be almost always be influenced more by the resistance of the speaker cabling, so whether an amp has a DF spec of 300 or 3,000, despite som different ways of determining it, is for all practical purposes irrelevent.

Slew rate is also an overrated spec because it leaves out vital information. An amp that has to produce a higher voltage swing needs a correspondingly higher slew rate than one that produces lower output voltage. And an amp that must put out high frequency cleanly also needs a higher slew rate than one that only handles bass. A slew rate that is very high, considering the amp's output voltage and frequency range, could be an indicator that it may be susceptible to RF or ultrasonic oscillations. A much more meaningful spec would be power bandwidth, if only it weren't so scarce.

-Bob

[cole]

> -Bob
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