View Full Version : Is there a nice 5.5" full-range?
uglogirl
06-09-2006, 01:59 PM
Holy guacamole that didn't take long. My sister saw my new little speakers and begged me for them so I gave in but said I'd build another pair and she could choose which ones she wanted. So I decided to use a small full range this time but cannot find anything that is kind of a best buy that is like, 5.25 or 5.5". Is there anything that anyone knows of... like under $25?
thanks!
trevorg
06-09-2006, 02:59 PM
Try the BS3's, <A HREF="http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html">http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html</A>
They will need a subwoofer but they are really cheap to build and will sound great, I will be building me a pair here soon with a Cerberus to go with them:
<A HREF="http://www.rjbaudio.com/Cerberus/cerberus.html">http://www.rjbaudio.com/Cerberus/cerberus.html</A>
curt_c
06-09-2006, 04:51 PM
-gotta put these up on my site...
<A HREF="http://www.pesupport.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=279873">http://www.pesupport.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=279873</A>
C
uglogirl
06-09-2006, 09:25 PM
> -gotta put these up on my site...
>
> <A HREF="http://www.pesupport.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=279873">http://www.pesupport.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=279873</A>
My sister needs these in her effeciency soooooo much. yup.
Thanks ya'll but I was looking for 5.5" full ranges... I know TB has lotsa cute 3-4" ones. I really like that banana one.
-kdt
envisionelec
06-09-2006, 10:49 PM
> My sister needs these in her effeciency
> soooooo much. yup.
> Thanks ya'll but I was looking for 5.5"
> full ranges... I know TB has lotsa cute
> 3-4" ones. I really like that banana
> one.
> -kdt
Banana? Oh, the bamBOO. Heh.
curt_c
06-09-2006, 11:41 PM
> My sister needs these in her effeciency
> soooooo much. yup.
> Thanks ya'll but I was looking for 5.5"
> full ranges... I know TB has lotsa cute
> 3-4" ones. I really like that banana
> one.
Check out the Fostex 166E over at Madisound, but they more than double your price range…
For a full range in your price range, try the Pioneer B20FU20-51FW. Needs a big box, but it will cover a large bandwidth. –The 3 and 4” drivers will sound much better in the mids and highs though…
<A HREF="http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=290-045">http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=290-045</A>
Its all about compromises...
C
hulan
06-09-2006, 11:57 PM
I looked around briefly but I didn't find anything other than coaxials. At least no 5"-5.5" quality full rangers for anyone on a budget.
Good luck and happy hunting.
http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/wolf_teeth_speaker/speakerpc008.jpg
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> My sister needs these in her effeciency
> soooooo much. yup.
> Thanks ya'll but I was looking for 5.5"
> full ranges... I know TB has lotsa cute
> 3-4" ones. I really like that banana
> one.
> -kdt
The Bamboo 3" sounds really nice(see the 'Zukini' project), and definitely needs a sub. I've also used the W3-517S1 TB, and they are phenomenal for a 3" driver(try and find a pair)! I've used the NS3-193(non phase-plug), and it extended higher in treble range than the NS3-194-8E did. If you build the -193, use a 4" sealed and lined cube, a series 500uF elec. cap (Passive Assist alignment), and you will be amazed. They will take some juice, but the bass is amazing for the size. I like them a lot! I used to have a XOver underneath the 4" cube to a tweeter. It sounded pretty bad, but was MUCH better full-range and no-tweeter. All three full-range projects are in my photobucket.
Ask if you have Q's,
Wolf
uglogirl
06-10-2006, 07:13 AM
Provided Link: I have a soldering iron and I know how to use it. (http://www.2tough.com/~kiira/audio-diy.html)
> I looked around briefly but I didn't find
> anything other than coaxials. At least no
> 5"-5.5" quality full rangers for
> anyone on a budget.
> Good luck and happy hunting.
Yes it looks that way. I was just wondering because I only know P-E and Madisound for drivers and they have nothing. I already have a pair of the Pioneer 8" B20s and some old Electrovoice enclosures for them... that's my next project along with the matching sub-woofers.
I'd love to get a pair of the Fostex 166s but they are too expensive for me right now but I am going to eventually get a pair of the nice Fostexs to make a super nice speaker. I'll get the boy to help me make horns... bwahaha.
I ended up buying a pair of Silver Flute 5.5" woofers that were reviewed by one of the posters here in a big comparison, very helpful I love comparisons. :-) They were $18 and that's a lot for me to spend but hey, it's family. It's fun building speakers for other people when all they've had is jamboxes. I'll find her a nice 70s Sansui receiver or something.
I have to learn crossover design now. Oh no. Stay tuned for more questions. ha ha.
-kdt
chrisn
06-11-2006, 03:43 AM
Not fullrange but in your price range are these speakers i built(look down the page a litle):
<A HREF="http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2036051/6">http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2036051/6</A>
They are foster 5.25" and onkyo 20cent tweeters. One cap for the crossover and an lpad if you wish. They have a fullrange version of the woofer as well. I spent less than $20 a pair and they sound ok.
i like the speakers you built, they look nice.
> Yes it looks that way. I was just wondering
> because I only know P-E and Madisound for
> drivers and they have nothing. I already
> have a pair of the Pioneer 8" B20s and
> some old Electrovoice enclosures for them...
> that's my next project along with the
> matching sub-woofers.
> I'd love to get a pair of the Fostex 166s
> but they are too expensive for me right now
> but I am going to eventually get a pair of
> the nice Fostexs to make a super nice
> speaker. I'll get the boy to help me make
> horns... bwahaha.
> I ended up buying a pair of Silver Flute
> 5.5" woofers that were reviewed by one
> of the posters here in a big comparison,
> very helpful I love comparisons. :-) They
> were $18 and that's a lot for me to spend
> but hey, it's family. It's fun building
> speakers for other people when all they've
> had is jamboxes. I'll find her a nice 70s
> Sansui receiver or something.
> I have to learn crossover design now. Oh no.
> Stay tuned for more questions. ha ha.
> -kdt
uglogirl
06-11-2006, 07:19 AM
> Not fullrange but in your price range are
> these speakers i built(look down the page a
> litle):
> i like the speakers you built, they look
> nice.
Thank you. It's a lot like your nice project. It's amazing how good these things sound with cheap parts... I guess it's the design and paying attention to details. I gave them to my sister. :-)
kiira
romanbednarek
06-11-2006, 05:16 PM
Provided Link: RJB Audio Projects (http://www.rjbaudio.com)
> Yes it looks that way. I was just wondering
> because I only know P-E and Madisound for
> drivers and they have nothing. I already
> have a pair of the Pioneer 8" B20s and
> some old Electrovoice enclosures for them...
> that's my next project along with the
> matching sub-woofers.
> I'd love to get a pair of the Fostex 166s
> but they are too expensive for me right now
> but I am going to eventually get a pair of
> the nice Fostexs to make a super nice
> speaker. I'll get the boy to help me make
> horns... bwahaha.
> I ended up buying a pair of Silver Flute
> 5.5" woofers that were reviewed by one
> of the posters here in a big comparison,
> very helpful I love comparisons. :-) They
> were $18 and that's a lot for me to spend
> but hey, it's family. It's fun building
> speakers for other people when all they've
> had is jamboxes. I'll find her a nice 70s
> Sansui receiver or something.
> I have to learn crossover design now. Oh no.
> Stay tuned for more questions. ha ha.
> -kdt
The problem that I've had with full range designs is they don't sound so good off-axis. The high frequencies roll off and the larger the driver is the lower in frequency this transition begins. I built a fullrange design using the Tang Band 4" bamboo driver and found that there is really only one "sweet spot" when listening to them.
If you want to try to design a crossover without the use of measurement equipment then the best way that I know to model the crossover is using simulation tools and processing the manufacturer's response measurements to match the conditions of your enclosure. I have a tutorial on how to use the FRD consortium tools and Speaker Workshop to design a crossover at my site below under the "Audiofiles" link.
However, I strongly suggest that you start by building a proven project. Most of those are built by designers who have years of experience designing speakers and the crossover can be the toughest part to get right (and may be the most critical part). John Krutke has a two way design that uses the 5.5" Silver Flute driver at this link <A HREF="http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker13.html">http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker13.html</A> That might be a good design to go with but there may be other designs based on that driver out there. I suggest you post to see if there are any other designs that have been built using that driver.
I have a design (actually a bunch) that uses the Dayton Reference Series RS125 woofer in a pretty small two-way design. It is a ported design that has an f3 of 50 Hz which is pretty deep considering the size of the speaker but the downside is that they aren't very efficient. I have two versions on my site, the Microbe and the Microbe SE. I have also designed crossovers for several other tweeter options but haven't heard any of those so I haven't posted them on my site.
Beware, DIY speaker design can be very addictive and takes years to master. The more I learn about it the more I realize how much more there is to learn about. It can be a lot of fun though. These discussion boards are a great resource for learning.
I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any questions.
uglogirl
06-13-2006, 12:14 PM
> However, I strongly suggest that you start
> by building a proven project. Most of those
> are built by designers who have years of
> experience designing speakers and the
> crossover can be the toughest part to get
> right (and may be the most critical part).
> John Krutke has a two way design that uses
> the 5.5" Silver Flute driver at this
> link
> <A HREF="http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker13.html">http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker13.html</A>
> That might be a good design to go with but
> there may be other designs based on that
> driver out there. I suggest you post to see
> if there are any other designs that have
> been built using that driver.
Thank you Roman... I plan to build that design if there is no other around that looks equally appealing.
> Beware, DIY speaker design can be very
> addictive and takes years to master. The
> more I learn about it the more I realize how
> much more there is to learn about. It can be
> a lot of fun though. These discussion boards
> are a great resource for learning.
I've found that out yes! :-)
Uglo
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