ceiling speakers

[davepellegrene]

I have a customer I am doing some remodel work for and he would like to put some speakers in the second floor ceiling over his open staircase that he would like to be able to hear thru the house. When I had talked to him about installing them I was thinking I could use the in wall speakers I saw at PE's site. Looking thru speakers I see they have "ceiling speakers". They look like coaxial car speakers. Are there any guide lines on choosing speakers for the ceiling? Should I build boxes for them ?
He has an inexpensive Harmon Kardon receiver he would like to run these off of. He has a Bose surround hooked to the receiver now in his bedroom that he likes, so I don't think I need to get to carried away with what I install. Does anybody have any suggestions on what speakers to use?
Thanks Dave

[clarkbradshaw]

While I don't have any experience with PE's ceiling speakers, I do use coaxial Paradigm ceiling speakers for my side surrounds. I think they sound great and are a good way of getting sound where you need it when you can't mount a big box. They are usually designed to run as infinite baffle so you don't need to build a box behind them.

Knowing the general quality of most of PE's stuff, I'd guess these are up to snuff. It's probably a good option for the type of install you're doing. The only thing missing will probably be the deep bass (under 50 Hz).

Clark B.

[philiparcario]

I have a customer I am doing some remodel work for and he would like to put some speakers in the second floor ceiling over his open staircase that he would like to be able to hear thru the house. When I had talked to him about installing them I was thinking I could use the in wall speakers I saw at PE's site. Looking thru speakers I see they have "ceiling speakers". They look like coaxial car speakers. Are there any guide lines on choosing speakers for the ceiling? Should I build boxes for them ?
He has an inexpensive Harmon Kardon receiver he would like to run these off of. He has a Bose surround hooked to the receiver now in his bedroom that he likes, so I don't think I need to get to carried away with what I install. Does anybody have any suggestions on what speakers to use?
Thanks Dave

another choice for you

http://www.jr.com/audio-source/pe/ASO_AS8C/

I have a pair of these. Will handle 50 watts with ease. see this link for pictures. they can mount on walls high just point tweeter down it helps bass to corner mount see the two pictures.

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/philipma1957/wall%20repair/wall%20mount%20for%20ceiling%20speakers/

[davepellegrene]

Thanks for the info guys. Sounds like the ceiling speakers will work OK. I like the speakers that you sent the ling to Phil. Seams like I might get more base from those. The attic I am putting these in has blown fiberglass insulation in it. I am assuming it would not be a good idea to put the fiberglass directly over the back of the speakers. I can do one of two things I know of. One would be to build a four sided box to hold the insulation back and the other would be to build a closed box. Any suggestions here? Also how would I hook these up to the receiver to the B terminals if it has them?
Thanks again Dave

[johnastockman]

Thanks for the info guys. Sounds like the ceiling speakers will work OK. I like the speakers that you sent the ling to Phil. Seams like I might get more base from those. The attic I am putting these in has blown fiberglass insulation in it. I am assuming it would not be a good idea to put the fiberglass directly over the back of the speakers. I can do one of two things I know of. One would be to build a four sided box to hold the insulation back and the other would be to build a closed box. Any suggestions here? Also how would I hook these up to the receiver to the B terminals if it has them?
Thanks again Dave


That receiver should have a "B" set of terminals...just 2 ceiling speakers? The Dayton ones don't have a rear chamber, but the performance is good for the money:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=300-402

They have more expensive ones and the Atlas or JBL have rear enclosures. I've recommended the Dayton in-wall 2-ways and the co-ax ceiling speakers...you can't get that SQ even if you spend 2-3 times as much as those $50/pr. Daytons. Having a rear enclosure is a bonus, especially if there's insulation on top of it, but those Atlas are more $$. The Daytons are 8 ohms, the Atlas & JBL have multiple taps/terminals, one for 70V line use and regular 4-8-16 ohm hook-ups. Depends on how much he can spend, but the Dayton stuff is a great bargain. My PE commercial is over!

John A.

[davepellegrene]

That receiver should have a "B" set of terminals...just 2 ceiling speakers? The Dayton ones don't have a rear chamber, but the performance is good for the money:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=300-402

They have more expensive ones and the Atlas or JBL have rear enclosures. I've recommended the Dayton in-wall 2-ways and the co-ax ceiling speakers...you can't get that SQ even if you spend 2-3 times as much as those $50/pr. Dayton's. Having a rear enclosure is a bonus, especially if there's insulation on top of it, but those Atlas are more $$. The Daytons are 8 ohms, the Atlas & JBL have multiple taps/terminals, one for 70V line use and regular 4-8-16 ohm hook-ups. Depends on how much he can spend, but the Dayton stuff is a great bargain. My PE commercial is over!

John A.

Hi John,
Yeah, He just wants one set over his open staircase so they will play down through the house. I think I will just get the Dayton ones. I see they sell a cover for a few dollars to put on the back of the speaker to keep the insulation out. If I hook them to the B terminals I assume I wont get much bass out of them anyway. I would think the amp will cut them off somewhat hi since the rest of his 5.1 has little satellites.
Thanks Dave