Wow, complete speaker cabinet propaganda

[killersoundz]

http://portcityamps.com/products/cabinets/4x10-4x12-and-4x12-os-wave/


The Port City Wave™ cabinets are totally unique in their appearance however, the magic of this cabinet lies within. This patent pending design is truly something special. The Port City Wave™ cabinet is constructed with a 45-degree angle sound deflecting panel located at the back of the cabinet. (Between the top of the cab and the backpanel.) This panel is dadoed on both sides of the cabinet for ultimate support. Internal sound waves are projected from the back of the speaker down to the bottom of the cabinet where another 45-degree panel projects sound waves towards the front of the cabinet. From there an angled port which runs the width of the cabinet and projects these sound waves out and up towards you. This allows those sound waves from the rear of the speaker to mix with the sound waves from the front of the speaker. This gives an effect similar to that of your sound coming from a PA system. Your tone is balanced, full and clear.

The Port City Wave is not designed to specifically boost or cut any certain frequencies. It is designed to harness all the sound your speaker produces. The Port City Wave cabinets work well with all styles of music. When you dig into a bend or chord you can hear and feel the difference with this cabinet. Good tone is vital to a good musician, however, great tone and lots of it is what great musicians deserve. The design, while simple, is proven. At Port City we are sure you will love your Wave cabinet once you finally hear what you’ve been missing!

LOL

This is speaker cabinet blasphemy. I bet this guy doesn't even know what an impedance measurement is, there sure isn't any hard info on the site. These "reflecting panels" are just aiding in reflecting the back wave out through the speakers.

[billfitzmaurice]

This is speaker cabinet blasphemy. I bet this guy doesn't even know what an impedance measurement is, there sure isn't any hard info on the site. These "reflecting panels" are just aiding in reflecting the back wave out through the speakers.These have been explored before and yes, his ad copy is absolute piffel. So what? 'Truth in advertising' has always been an oxymoron of the first degree. IMO bringing up stuff like this serves no useful purpose here. If someone asks a question about it that's a different story.

[AMC]

These "reflecting panels" are just aiding in reflecting the back wave out through the speakers.

NO, they are reflecting it out through the special port, allowing all the sound out. You do believe in sound freedom for all sound don't you? Or do you think only some sounds should be free? Do you think it's OK for some sounds to be trapped in a box, while other, more privileged sounds, get to roam free in the air? What kind of a sound bigot are you?

FREEDOM!

[killersoundz]

These have been explored before and yes, his ad copy is absolute piffel. So what? 'Truth in advertising' has always been an oxymoron of the first degree. IMO bringing up stuff like this serves no useful purpose here. If someone asks a question about it that's a different story.

I had nothing against their products until I read their overview, in fact the fancy CNC work makes them look almost legit (until you look on their facebook page and see a picture of one of the cabinets with tolex coming off). The overview however literally made me 'lol'. I have no respect for a small business like that trying to profit off of deceit, fiction, fairy tales, whatever you want to call it. I related too closely to it because I recently built a run of cabinets for a local start up business, but they decided to buy a CNC router and make them themselves in the future instead because overall it will be cheaper. They have no experience building speaker enclosures and absolutely no speaker design knowledge so anything they put together is surely to be garbage, so this is exactly something they would come up with and it's BS. Guitar players and people who build guitar amps sometimes, just need to stay away from speakers.

[killersoundz]

IMO bringing up stuff like this serves no useful purpose here. If someone asks a question about it that's a different story.

I think any chance to bring up and openly discuss BS is a good one. Your view kind of reminds me of the mass media. Why should we cover the protesting at wall street going on with thousands of people involved, and also being mistreated by the NYPD?

[Sydney]

I agree with Bill.
( I'd rather see examples of things done right, innovation and creativity. )
The comparison to media coverage is hyperbolic and unrelated.

[billfitzmaurice]

I think any chance to bring up and openly discuss BS is a good one. This isn't the first 'Look at this junk' thread that you've opened. I'm not a moderator here so I can't say if repeatedly doing so is in the spirit of what this forum is here for. But IMO it isn't.

[Sydney]

I can appreciate honest objective assessment of products in the same fashion as say an independent test lab might provide.
However; A lot of critique strikes me as unprofessional and serving no useful purpose.

[clydethecat]

It's like the BIC Venturi all over again.

[killersoundz]

I'm not sure how you expect a regular potential customer to be informed about a product like this if you don't want anyone to talk about it. I feel like your trying to take my freedom of speech away by making me feel guilty about pointing things like this out.

You guys are acting like the mass media. Lets not talk about Agenda 21, lets not talk about bilderberg meetings, lets not talk about the north american union, lets not talk about how aspartame is a poison, lets not talk about how fluoridation of public water is not for our benefit, lets not talk about chem trails and the poisons being sprayed in the air, lets not talk about wall street protests, let's not talk about the truth about 9/11.

This isn't unprofessional of me, it's unprofessional of this small business. Trying to censor someone that is attempting to bring the truth to the surface is only typical, so keep at it.

[AMC]

, lets not talk about chem trails and the poisons being sprayed in the air, lets not talk about wall street protests, let's not talk about the truth about 9/11.



Don't you have a 'coast to coast with George Noory' to listen to? The only thing you missed were UFOs and black helicopters.

[Sydney]

WOW Indeed...
Considering the description of the purpose of this category of threads:
"Share ideas and thoughts about getting the best out of your live sound and studio performances..."
The rest of what you said is way out of context.
It's just that I can get as much of that stuff as I want somewhere else.

[killersoundz]

Don't you have a 'coast to coast with George Noory' to listen to? The only thing you missed were UFOs and black helicopters.

Haha, actually I've never heard that program but when I started talking about that stuff one of my friends mentioned it. That guy sounds like a serious whack job, and in reality there are definitely a lot of things that are purposely 'left out' by the mass media, and that was my point here.


"Share ideas and thoughts about getting the best out of your live sound and studio performances..."

I'm sharing the idea that this particular product will not 'get you the best out of your live sound performance'.


Topics include PA speaker design and construction

It does not specify whether strictly to put one together, or diagnose one. Therefore this is a valid topic on PA speaker design and construction according to the forum.

[billfitzmaurice]

I'm sharing the idea that this particular product will not 'get you the best out of your live sound performance'.
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That would be quite appropriate if someone had asked about the product. But no one did, which reduces it to bashing for its own sake. We have DIYaudio and Harmony Central already filling that niche, just to name a couple of examples. I don't see the need for it here.

[killersoundz]

That would be quite appropriate if someone had asked about the product. But no one did, which reduces it to bashing for its own sake. We have DIYaudio and Harmony Central already filling that niche, just to name a couple of examples. I don't see the need for it here.

I can respect that opinion, and I agree about harmony central, wow, what a forum...

[PunkSweeper]

Face it man, trying to make guitarists to choose gear based on science is a lost cause. It's all utterly subjective, and besides- If a guy loves the tone of an over-hyped transistor radio, who are you to tell him it's crap?


EDIT- This add seems like a fair enough way of talking up what's basically a tuned port cab to a clientele that won't know the first thing about enclosure design anyways.

[killersoundz]

Face it man, trying to make guitarists to choose gear based on science is a lost cause. It's all utterly subjective, and besides- If a guy loves the tone of an over-hyped transistor radio, who are you to tell him it's crap?


EDIT- This add seems like a fair enough way of talking up what's basically a tuned port cab to a clientele that won't know the first thing about enclosure design anyways.

I don't believe this. This is going from the classic ignorant sales man perspective that all potential customers will be stupid and gullible. That may have worked 25 years ago and before but not anymore. People are much more well informed today than you can imagine due to the ease of fact finding on the internet and they are not so gullible. Present them with hard info and facts instead of a propaganda filled BS ad and they will be more convinced of your product.

Second point, he isn't talking up a 'tuned ported cab' or 'putting it into words people can understand', he is talking up a BS cab. He sells those cabs primarily unloaded, so any given random guitar speakers will be installed in it. Anyone that knows the first thing about bass reflex boxes knows that the tuning changes with the drivers. This means he doesn't know that because he has no mention of it anywhere. I e-mailed him and asked him "if the port works equally well with all speakers" just to bait, and he replied "yes it does". To me, what this guy did was just designed a cab with a slot port with random dimensions and length and some random angled panels with absolutely no calculations or measurements being ran. For all we know it can be functioning as an open back guitar cab completely unloading the speaker..

[Wembley2000]

I recently built a run of cabinets for a local start up business, but they decided to buy a CNC router and make them themselves in the future instead because overall it will be cheaper. They have no experience building speaker enclosures and absolutely no speaker design knowledge so anything they put together is surely to be garbage,

It wasn't this port city place was it?;) Other than that they sound nice and fancy:rolleyes:

[killersoundz]

It wasn't this port city place was it?;) Other than that they sound nice and fancy:rolleyes:

Haha, no it wasn't them, but might as well be..

[billfitzmaurice]

Anyone that knows the first thing about bass reflex boxes knows that the tuning changes with the drivers.No, it doesn't. You might want to throttle back a bit with the self-righteousness. Or at least be more precise. Changing the driver does not alter Fb. You may want to change Fb to work better with a particular driver, of course.

[killersoundz]

No, it doesn't. You might want to throttle back a bit with the self-righteousness. Or at least be more precise. Changing the driver does not alter Fb. You may want to change Fb to work better with a particular driver, of course.

Wow, my bad. I never once tried changing the driver parameters and seeing the difference on the model. Apparently Sd matters and not much else...

[isaeagle4031]

Wow, my bad. I never once tried changing the driver parameters and seeing the difference on the model. Apparently Sd matters and not much else...

Where did Bill make any mention of the Sd? Sorry dude, but your self righteousness is a bit much. OK so the ad is not much to the informed. Blasting the guy on this forum probably is not going to do any good other than making yourself feel better for "outing" him. If I remember correctly, there are those that have done the same to you in the recent past. Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

The 45's do probably do nothing more than give the cabinet some extra rigidity. As far as tuning, without knowing exact enclosure dimensions, how can you say its just random? This is a bit presumptios, no?

Most of the people that visit this forum are informed (or will be shortly) on many of these variables, so posting here in your manner, sounds more like self-promotion. Honestly, take a lesson from Bill. He does no promote himself or down others in the fashion you do. He simply states where you can find info about him. Please show a bit of modesty

[killersoundz]

Where did Bill make any mention of the Sd? Sorry dude, but your self righteousness is a bit much. OK so the ad is not much to the informed. Blasting the guy on this forum probably is not going to do any good other than making yourself feel better for "outing" him. If I remember correctly, there are those that have done the same to you in the recent past. Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

The 45's do probably do nothing more than give the cabinet some extra rigidity. As far as tuning, without knowing exact enclosure dimensions, how can you say its just random? This is a bit presumptios, no?

Most of the people that visit this forum are informed (or will be shortly) on many of these variables, so posting here in your manner, sounds more like self-promotion. Honestly, take a lesson from Bill. He does no promote himself or down others in the fashion you do. He simply states where you can find info about him. Please show a bit of modesty

Id like to know your logic for thinking im doing this for self promotion? First of all no one here knows who I am except for my screen name, I never posted a link to my website and I never tried to sell anyone anything. Frankly I'm not that ignorant to put down another product 'as' self promotion in a professional environment. I guess I'm conditioned to question things instead of sitting back and doing what im told like most people. I don't know what the world is coming to when it's a huge mistake to critique someone elses work that is clearly questionable at minimum. For me it's entertaining to sit back and look at things like this and point and laugh. Since I mostly record indie bands I critique my own work all day long with mixing, it's a constant critiquing fest, so perhaps it's a habit.

About the 45degree panels you brought up, he has no pictures to illustrate, but the wording makes it sound like they're substantial and not just some small miters in the corners. Speculating but it is likely it's not doing much but eating up enclosure volume and helping reflect the back wave back out of the speakers like I said earlier..but it would clear things up if he took the time to post a picture of the insides like any reputable speaker cab manufacture would do with some 'new and innovative' product.

Also my mention of the Sd thing was me saying I never did bass reflex box models with variations of driver parameters to see what changed the tuning, I was always under the impression Fs and a few more mattered but they don't.

[AMC]

I don't believe this. This is going from the classic ignorant sales man perspective that all potential customers will be stupid and gullible. That may have worked 25 years ago and before but not anymore. People are much more well informed today than you can imagine due to the ease of fact finding on the internet and they are not so gullible. Present them with hard info and facts instead of a propaganda filled BS ad and they will be more convinced of your product.


“Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public.”
― P.T. Barnum

True then, True now.

[billfitzmaurice]

Wow, my bad. I never once tried changing the driver parameters and seeing the difference on the model. Apparently Sd matters and not much else...
No T/S parameters affect Fb. Fb is purely the product of net cabinet volume and port size.
And this being a very elementary acoustical engineering concept very much brings up the 'glass houses' aspect. IMO if you want to offer an expert opinion don't do so unless your opinion is requested, and don't attempt to do so if you're not an expert.

[Sydney]

I think that the consensus is against the critical position taken.
The intention may have been rationalized as a effort to raise awareness, but from the onset there was only ridicule.

[mattp]

Yes can we try to keep all posts on topic for the forum please? This means bringing up topics for help, not bashing marketing strategies from random companies. This serves no purpose here.