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  • tomzarbo
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Originally posted by dcibel View Post
    Tom,
    Just wondering how you are making out with the Omnimic?
    I have not really touched it for the past several months. I have a small two way speaker that I've been messing with that I should be finished with cabinet-wise in the next several weeks. I plan on breaking out my Omnimic and giving it another try once those cabinets are buttoned up.
    Yeah, I sort of just dropped this because I didn't want to push the issue too much. I see lots of people are peeking at this thread so I know there's a need there. If I can get good enough at using it and can explain things enough to not look like a doofus, I'll make some sort of video myself... that's a big "if" though.

    TomZ

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  • dcibel
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Tom,
    Just wondering how you are making out with the Omnimic?

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  • killa
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Originally posted by Mike220 View Post

    I assume it will be all relative if you use the same volume, mic placement and pc for your measurements you just might not know the actual spl. I could buy another spl meter but seems redundant with omnimic!

    .
    You are correct. As long as you leave the volume at the same setting for each driver in the system the actual spl doesn't matter. You just need it loud enough to be above the noise floor.

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  • Mike220
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    I was doing some measurements with my omnimic this weekend. I was measuring the same speaker on 3 different amps and 2 different pc's just to see the variance (speaker and mic never moved). The cheap laptop vs my high end desktop have some differences. After going into the settings the omnimic volume on my desktop was set at "1" on windows 7 and on the laptop its set to approx (40-50%) i have xp (doesnt have a #). I have read the manual and it does not state a value but i do know for certain it makes a difference because the desktop i had to turn up the volume higher to hit the 80db mark and it was louder than when i used my laptop. The traces look to measure very similarly between both computers i just had to increase the volume on the amps with the lower mic volume setting.

    I assume it will be all relative if you use the same volume, mic placement and pc for your measurements you just might not know the actual spl. I could buy another spl meter but seems redundant with omnimic!

    Im going to email PE on this just too see if they have a recommended setting because i cannot find one in the manual. So far omnimic is very straight forward it tells you what to do at the top bar. I agree the why is more important than the how.

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  • killa
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Originally posted by tomzarbo View Post
    Thank you for your willingness to help with this. Many of us will appreciate it quite a bit! If I can do anything to help out with this somehow, I'm more than willing.

    TomZ
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    It may take me a while to get to this as I am currently working on another project. I may need help with with figuring out the best way to go about all of this. I am not the most organized person :o

    Here is the basic idea of what I was thinking

    1 basic measurement with omnimic and how to save measurement
    2 Finding offsets
    3 using the blender

    All the steps would have pics of mic position along with a wiring diagram, and screenshots of what is happening in omnimic.

    Feel free to expand on anything but I only plan on going over the basics for now. I think this will be enough for someone to get their files into the program of their choice. If I leave anything out anyone thinks is important let me know.

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  • tomzarbo
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Originally posted by killa View Post
    Just curious if you guys think a picture tutorial might be helpful? It might be easier for a couple people to put one together similar to the way rpb and ryanbouma did on the Holm Impulse user tutorial. If so I would be willing to help. I happen to have a project I will be measuring in the near future and could take pics of the measuring setup throughout the various phases and screenshots of what I am doing in omnimic.
    Killa, I think that would probably help tremendously for many of us.

    Hopefully, in the future we can have a super-post in the OmniMic subforum that we keep adding videos, picture tutorials to containing all of these resources once they start falling into place.

    Thank you for your willingness to help with this. Many of us will appreciate it quite a bit! If I can do anything to help out with this somehow, I'm more than willing.

    TomZ

    P.S. I was hoping for a little more input from members here. Guys, please chime in and give your two-cents if you're interested in what's going on here. If not, it may not end up happening, and that would be a shame.

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  • killa
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Just curious if you guys think a picture tutorial might be helpful? It might be easier for a couple people to put one together similar to the way rpb and ryanbouma did on the Holm Impulse user tutorial. If so I would be willing to help. I happen to have a project I will be measuring in the near future and could take pics of the measuring setup throughout the various phases and screenshots of what I am doing in omnimic.

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  • badman
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    It's pretty straightforward but you do need to understand acoustic concepts. I'd be happy to walk anyone through some of it (not all but much) if they're in range to Tustin, CA. I haven't played with all the features but I do "Get it".

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  • fatmarley
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    I've only played with mine and haven't tried to use it seriously yet, so I don't really know if I need a video.

    Saying that, I think it would pay Partsexpress to do a video themselves. I'm sure it would encourage more people to buy it, if they were shown how easy it is to use.

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  • dave
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    I myself also after a year cant figure it out. I am much more of a visual learner than reading, and also when the instructions say to now do ,,, this ,,, but I say how ?

    A straight forward video with basic steps for a two way to get your basic crossover with where and how to transfer measurements, and then a part two and or a part three for in depth politically correct with all the alignments , phase , etc. would be such a great thing.

    Maybe a group of designers will get together and split up the different parts of the steps so it will not be so time consuming for one person.
    I think this might me the main reason for the hold up.
    Thanks,
    Dave G.

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  • tomzarbo
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Originally posted by dcibel View Post
    Okay Tom, I understand where you're coming from I think. I'm not going to make an instructional video myself, but if you have any specific questions I'm happy to help where I can.

    I'm not going to say that this came easy to me, I've been researching acoustics for years to gain the understanding I have today. From my point of view the Omnimic software is easy, IMO it is as plug and play as the device can be, but I guess not everyone will agree with my position on that. Professionally I work in electronics, and my electronics background surely helped a lot to understand wave and signal interaction, so when I started learning acoustics the understanding of harmonics, intermodulation, phase etc came easily since it was the same principals applied to electronic theory. For example when I first started designing speaker, I saw many people looking at the "reverse null" and I kept wondering why you would do that when you already have the phase information, later to find the people were doing this because they didn't fully understand the phase information to begin with.

    Anyway, shoot me a PM if you like, I'll try and help you out where I can. I can even email you a book or two if you like, I've collected a few over the years in digital form.
    Thanks a lot for the offer sir! I've had a few offers for help from a few of the kind people on this board, and I appreciate it a lot, believe me. Once I get a bit further in my understanding of this all, I will take up the offer...

    ...but I don't want to be that kid in school that when the teacher says after explaining 20 minutes of something, "are there any questions on how to do this?" the kid says "yes" The teacher says "what don't you understand?"..... and the kid says "All of it!"

    I have a lot of respect for guys like you who learned and figured out a lot of the theory behind what makes speakers/sound do, and work the way they do. You figured this stuff on your own so to speak. I have read a bit on lots of topics, and have some understanding of the basics, but I probably won't become as well versed as many of you are.

    I'm a guy who loves to design and build cabinets, but who has not been able to yet fully 'get' the crossover thing. I feel that being able to take measurements and design a crossover from these measurements is part of being a complete speaker designer in my opinion. I have no problem with building other people's designs, I do it a whole lot and get tons of enjoyment from it. I would just like to "get it" myself soon. Time is a problem, when I'm working, that's pretty much all I can do, my students really take it out of me!

    Well, thanks again for the offer, and for being understanding of me/us who are slow of understanding!

    TomZ

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  • dcibel
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    Originally posted by tomzarbo View Post
    Thanks Mark,
    I'll check that out when I get a minute.

    Here's my point boiled down to the basics.... I believe if a video were to be made with brief descriptions of which buttons to click to get basic measurements for say, a small two-way speaker already in a box, that video would take maybe, 7-10 minutes? I'm not talking about a concise description of every button/function, just enough to take measurements on a small two-way and a little bit on why. That would be enough to get many of us started. Our understanding/learning would grow from there.

    dcibel, I understand that this either came easy for you, or because of the way your brain works, or possibly just a lot of leg work...you were just was able to figure this process out, but it's not that easy for everyone...

    If it's so easy to understand the help files, wouldn't it be equally easy to watch a video and see someone doing this in real time and learn it that way? Some people have a hard time reading disjointed help files and making sense of it. I'll give it another go this weekend. Thanks for the link to the online help files. I'd love it if it were a PDF and could print the whole thing in one go, though; I think it may be more useful that way, like a good old fashioned users manual. I have Bass Box Pro, and X-Over Pro and they both have great user manuals that fully describe how their products work. I'd love to see that for PE's Omnimic.

    Again, not meaning to complain, just trying to see if there are any videos that visually depict how to use this thing in action. Man, I can find a half dozen videos online of Big Foot, I would have thought someone would have done a video of this very cool and useful device by now is all I'm saying! ;)

    TomZ
    Okay Tom, I understand where you're coming from I think. I'm not going to make an instructional video myself, but if you have any specific questions I'm happy to help where I can.

    I'm not going to say that this came easy to me, I've been researching acoustics for years to gain the understanding I have today. From my point of view the Omnimic software is easy, IMO it is as plug and play as the device can be, but I guess not everyone will agree with my position on that. Professionally I work in electronics, and my electronics background surely helped a lot to understand wave and signal interaction, so when I started learning acoustics the understanding of harmonics, intermodulation, phase etc came easily since it was the same principals applied to electronic theory. For example when I first started designing speaker, I saw many people looking at the "reverse null" and I kept wondering why you would do that when you already have the phase information, later to find the people were doing this because they didn't fully understand the phase information to begin with.

    Anyway, shoot me a PM if you like, I'll try and help you out where I can. I can even email you a book or two if you like, I've collected a few over the years in digital form.

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  • tomzarbo
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    Originally posted by Mark65 View Post
    I agree with you 100% on that, and it's why I have such a problem with help files. They ALL do that. Here's how to do it, but never WHY you should do it. Still, the basics that I could glean from the buttons and drop down menus got me data that let me design a crossover for my current project. How well it turns out is still up in the air, but you can follow my progress here.

    I'm with ya, pal!


    Mark
    Thanks Mark,
    I'll check that out when I get a minute.

    Originally posted by dcibel View Post
    I know you guys aren't agreeing with me, but I am okay with that. I just want to get across that the Omnimic is a tool, and like any tool the why you would use it is up to you. Lets say I bought a hand drill, it probably came with instructions telling me how to change bits, how to change speed, etc, but it doesn't tell me why I should drill a hole. The omnimic of course is a bit more of a complicated tool than that, but as far as manuals go the how is the only part they should explain IMO. The why is the part that made me buy the tool.

    I guess I'm just failing to understand the problem. The help file "manual" is very well written IMO and gave me all the information I needed on how to use the tools. It's not laid out alphabetically, it has a table of contents that links you directly to specific information, like any manual should. You can print it out if you want to have a paper copy. I don't really understand the concept of copying and pasting to a word document, and I don't understand what you'd get out of a video that isn't already in the manual, and the beginner setup can be summed up in just a few points, which I did several posts back.

    Saving? seriously guys? File menu -> save, like pretty much every other software in existence. What sweep to use? It's in bold print at the top of the screen, always, and the track list is in the help file. I ripped the CD to my computer and named the files so its easy to know what track is which without having to listen to them. Sorry guys I'm starting to get riled up so I'll just duck out of this thread. Sorry I haven't been able to help you much.
    Here's my point boiled down to the basics.... I believe if a video were to be made with brief descriptions of which buttons to click to get basic measurements for say, a small two-way speaker already in a box, that video would take maybe, 7-10 minutes? I'm not talking about a concise description of every button/function, just enough to take measurements on a small two-way and a little bit on why. That would be enough to get many of us started. Our understanding/learning would grow from there.

    dcibel, I understand that this either came easy for you, or because of the way your brain works, or possibly just a lot of leg work...you were just was able to figure this process out, but it's not that easy for everyone...

    If it's so easy to understand the help files, wouldn't it be equally easy to watch a video and see someone doing this in real time and learn it that way? Some people have a hard time reading disjointed help files and making sense of it. I'll give it another go this weekend. Thanks for the link to the online help files. I'd love it if it were a PDF and could print the whole thing in one go, though; I think it may be more useful that way, like a good old fashioned users manual. I have Bass Box Pro, and X-Over Pro and they both have great user manuals that fully describe how their products work. I'd love to see that for PE's Omnimic.

    Again, not meaning to complain, just trying to see if there are any videos that visually depict how to use this thing in action. Man, I can find a half dozen videos online of Big Foot, I would have thought someone would have done a video of this very cool and useful device by now is all I'm saying! ;)

    TomZ

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  • dcibel
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    Re: Any tutorial videos on using Omnimic?

    The manual is also available online as HTML:

    http://www.daytonaudio.com/OmniMicV4/index_OmniMic.html

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  • dcibel
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    I know you guys aren't agreeing with me, but I am okay with that. I just want to get across that the Omnimic is a tool, and like any tool the why you would use it is up to you. Lets say I bought a hand drill, it probably came with instructions telling me how to change bits, how to change speed, etc, but it doesn't tell me why I should drill a hole. The omnimic of course is a bit more of a complicated tool than that, but as far as manuals go the how is the only part they should explain IMO. The why is the part that made me buy the tool.

    I guess I'm just failing to understand the problem. The help file "manual" is very well written IMO and gave me all the information I needed on how to use the tools. It's not laid out alphabetically, it has a table of contents that links you directly to specific information, like any manual should. You can print it out if you want to have a paper copy. I don't really understand the concept of copying and pasting to a word document, and I don't understand what you'd get out of a video that isn't already in the manual, and the beginner setup can be summed up in just a few points, which I did several posts back.

    Saving? seriously guys? File menu -> save, like pretty much every other software in existence. What sweep to use? It's in bold print at the top of the screen, always, and the track list is in the help file. I ripped the CD to my computer and named the files so its easy to know what track is which without having to listen to them. Sorry guys I'm starting to get riled up so I'll just duck out of this thread. Sorry I haven't been able to help you much.

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