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  • #16
    Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

    the most frustrating thing with that is the speakers/singers.
    1: Politely offer some mic technique advice
    2: Be ready and have a compressor on the vocal mic ( for that loud voice )
    3: If at all possible have a sound check.

    The downside is there may be confilicting adjustments between me & my partner as while I am adjusting in the pew, he is adjusting in the sound room as it may be affecting the cd recording, which I can't see or control from the ipad
    That can be resolved: Basically a dry split feed is needed for the cd recording: immune from your board action.
    If the board doesn't have the ability; it can be done before the board.
    "Not a Speaker Designer - Not even on the Internet"
    “Pride is your greatest enemy, humility is your greatest friend.”
    "If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."

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    • #17
      Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

      Originally posted by Sydney View Post
      1: Politely offer some mic technique advice
      2: Be ready and have a compressor on the vocal mic ( for that loud voice )
      3: If at all possible have a sound check.


      That can be resolved: Basically a dry split feed is needed for the cd recording: immune from your board action.

      If the board doesn't have the ability; it can be done before the board.
      Yeah, done the mic tech advice, but may need a bigger hammer to beat them with so they get it.

      The compressor is a feature I need to learn. I'm sure we can be using it.

      I will check into the dry split feed.
      If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me?

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      • #18
        Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

        The new board should have the ability to send a feed for recording that is in essence immune from the FOH feed or monitor feed.
        Perhaps it is assigned via the group/buss interface.

        Hammer doesn't work, most REAL professionals know the importance of communication with the tech because it is in everyone's interest.
        IMO: A real pro brings their own mic.
        "Not a Speaker Designer - Not even on the Internet"
        “Pride is your greatest enemy, humility is your greatest friend.”
        "If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."

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        • #19
          Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

          and that's the kicker, we are not real pros. I know I have a long way to go, but it is a challenge I am trying to attempt.

          "The new board should have the ability to send a feed for recording that is in essence immune from the FOH feed or monitor feed.
          Perhaps it is assigned via the group/buss interface." I am sure that it does. Just gotta find it. But a question, if you split of the initial signal, I assume the signal you get at the recorder is the whole thing. What if the music signal is decent, but the singer is blaring over the mic which may be causing spiking in the input signal? I know that going through the board you can adjust the gains to even out the sound, but if the recorder's signal is bypassed around the board, how would you control blaring spikes so not to distort the recording?

          Sorry if my questions are 'non-educated' (stupid). I have questions, but it is not my intent to get a lot of free lessons here.
          If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me?

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          • #20
            Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

            Originally posted by the kid View Post
            ...But a question, if you split of the initial signal, I assume the signal you get at the recorder is the whole thing. What if the music signal is decent, but the singer is blaring over the mic which may be causing spiking in the input signal? I know that going through the board you can adjust the gains to even out the sound, but if the recorder's signal is bypassed around the board, how would you control blaring spikes so not to distort the recording?...
            See the part about:
            "The auxiliary output from each channel can be either pre-fader or post-fader."
            from
            http://www.mediacollege.com/audio/mi...-channels.html
            https://mpe.berklee.edu/documents/cu...ux%20Sends.pdf
            http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep1...nda-0911-5.htm
            http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb1...kshop-0211.htm
            "Not a Speaker Designer - Not even on the Internet"
            “Pride is your greatest enemy, humility is your greatest friend.”
            "If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."

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            • #21
              Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

              http://www.the-church-tech.com/sound...-sends-part-1/
              from:
              http://www.the-church-tech.com/sound...training-menu/
              "Not a Speaker Designer - Not even on the Internet"
              “Pride is your greatest enemy, humility is your greatest friend.”
              "If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."

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              • #22
                Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

                Thanks again Sydney for the help!
                If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me?

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                • #23
                  Re: Behringer x32 newbie...

                  Compression on the vocal channels is one of the functions you want to use.


                  As for the recording, if you set it up on a pre fade mix out to the CD recorder or directly to the USB drive you or someone will need to mix for the recording during each service. Doing a separate mix for the recording is not a bad thing because the house mix takes into account any stage volume spilling into the room as well as the room it self and that can result in an unbalanced sounding recording when played back. I've found in church service recordings the pastors mic generally records at a lower level than the music portion of the service. Short of doing a full separate mix for the recording you could do a couple things, set up a POST fade mix out for recording with all of the record mix/aux levels on all the channels set at the same level, on the pastors channel or any channels used just for spoken set the levels of the record mix/aux higher. Setting the board up that way the recording will still follow the main mix but the pastors mic channel will always be higher on the recording. You can do the same thing using a matrix mix out and a little creative subgroup routing.
                  Those same routing set ups could be applied to you ZED or any analog board as well.

                  As mentioned a few post back you could take a hard split off of your inputs, take those into a completely separate room, use your ZED board, a couple of small monitors and have someone do the mix to CD that way.
                  If you a couple channels of compression and effects unit there no reason you couldn't do a good mix on the ZED.
                  Mike Caldwell
                  http://www.mikecaldwellaudioproductions.com

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