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  • The Rally Sports - Dayton Pro Driver 15" 3-way

    Hey Everyone, been a while since I posted a project! This is one of my latest, I had the pleasure of doing it in collaboration with Parts Express, pro driver projects have become very popular and I'm hoping PE runs with the design, was a lot of fun and I'm continually impressed by how good and loud these type of pro driver builds can sound.

    The text below is from the project submission featured at http://projectgallery.parts-express....s/rally-sport/

    Enjoy!

    Project Description:


    Home theater and modern music benefit from efficient and dynamic speakers, there are many small and compact speaker designs that make dynamic compromises for clear sound in a small package. If one is willing to throw proportional correctness out the window, a speaker design like the Dayton Rally Sports will open up a new world where sound is not just heard, but felt and experienced as well!

    Smooth linear frequency response defines many of the best speaker designs on the market, but without driver size, displacement and efficiency, sound cannot be reproduced in the most dynamic way. Employing Dayton Pro Audio drivers, the Dayton Rally Sports build on smooth frequency response. With efficiency and the ability to truly deliver transients in music and movies, the Rally Sports engage any listener with dynamic listening that evokes the startling realism available in the recording. Three drivers, all optimized in their usable frequency ranges, excel at delivering transient, accurate and low distortion playback, not only with sparkling detail but at stunning volume levels if desired. Any simple amplifier will easily drive the Dayton Rallys to powerful sound pressure levels, even 15 watts per channel can deliver 100+ decibel sound levels.

    Design Goals:


    1 – Efficient – with minimal power tremendous volume levels can be achieved, base efficiency for this speaker is about 93db/watt.
    2 – Flat and smooth frequency response – The Rally Sports are quite flat from 40Hz to over 15kHz and vary less than 5db in that range. They also have a slight downward tilting response which provides warm sound and sibilant free high frequency response.
    3 – Affordable – though not the cheapest speaker to build, the Rally Sports can be built for well under $1000 and can be run off any readily available amplifier with their 8 ohm loads.
    4 – Beautiful – for my personal execution, I wanted something that would hold up to any decor or furniture in our home, however these can be built like PA speakers or much simpler painted or veneered MDF cabinets.

    Driver Selection:


    The following Dayton Audio drivers were used:
    Woofer –
    PA385S 15″ Pro Woofer – This woofer was chosen for it’s combination of low Fs and efficiency, it can play up to 500hz cleanly if needed and in a reasonable enclosure has good response down to 30hz. Typically true subwoofers with very low Fs around 20hz are very inefficient, on the other end of the spectrum pro woofers with 100db sensitivity can rarely play down below 50hz. The PA385S is a reasonably rare combination perfect for this type of high efficiency, full range home speaker.

    Midrange


    PA165-8 6″ midrange – This mid was chosen for it’s smooth response up to 2khz, in this application it is being crossed over at that point. It also has good efficiency which matches the woofer’s.

    Tweeter


    D250T-8 Compression Driver – affordable and high quality compression driver with 1.7” voicecoil and 1” throat. Don’t expect strong response up to 20kHz, however I am about 40 and can only hear to 16k, most music has little content above 10k, this has good usable output past 15kHz and is quite common for compression driver tweeters.

    Horn


    H6512 1″ Waveguide – any compression driver needs a horn and this waveguide provides consistent dispersion in the horizontal plane, meaning the “sweetspot” effect is diminished and more people can experience high frequency sound with a horn like this. Sound is very uncolored with no honkiness.

    Conclusion:


    The Rally Sports are everything I set out to build, loud, efficient audiophile quality speakers that can be built affordably and driven off just about any amplifier. The Dayton drivers shine in their respective frequency ranges, even at full, deafening volume the drivers do not sound strained. Transients are delivered with startling impact and they play all sorts of music well from jazz, to rock and classical music.
    I strived to create a high end tweeter response that would never be considered bright or sibilant, the Rally Sports are easy to listen to, even female voices don’t sound like they are coming out of the tweeter, a pet peeve of mine. Though I love a good dome tweeter, a properly used compression driver has a dry accurate sound that is tough to produce.

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    Will post some build pics and info below..

    Thanks!
    Javad




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    Javad Shadzi
    Bay Area, CA

    2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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    Javad Shadzi
    Bay Area, CA

    2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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        Enclosure Design:

        Because the Rally Sports are a larger floor standing design, we can splurge somewhat with air volume to allow the woofer to play lower and efficiently with a ported design. After extensive modeling, I chose a 3.8 cubic feet enclosure tuned to 38hz. Lower tuning could be used but output above 40hz will suffer. Since most music features content above 30hz, the 38hz tuning frequency allows strong output to that point with 24db roll off below that point.
        That 3.8 does not include the volume of bracing, mid enclosure or of the ports so be sure to include those in the total volume. In my case my mid enclosure used .1 feet, the bracing used .25 and the dual 4” ports .1 as well.
        Dual 4” ports end up about 7” long but I always fine tune to the final frequency using Dayton Dats. You can get away with shorter 3” diameter ports but air velocity will be higher and the chance of chuffing as well. On the inside of the port I routered out wooden rings and put ½” roundovers on them, the outside of the ports have a 1.25” radius to allow smooth entry in and out of the port. At full xmax of these woofers (about 11mm) there is absolutely no port sound or chuffing with this design.
        Internal dimensions are 38” high, 16” wide and 12” deep but your design may need to be adjusted depending on the port size you use and the amount of bracing you chose.
        For the midrange enclosure, I created a reverse horn that I’ll flippantly call an “infinite dampening chamber”, the idea is that sound waves coming off the back of the midrange are concentrated and absorbed inside a smaller, narrower tube so that they cannot reflect back through the cone creating distortion. The back of the enclosure is a 4-sided pyramid that gets narrower as it moves further away from the midrange. It ultimately ends at a 2.75” square opening which transitions into a 3” diameter sealed tube about 4” long. This entire enclosure was stuffed heavily with poly filling.
        Enclosure Assembly:

        The Rally Sports can be constructed from a variety of materials like Baltic Birch, MDF and other high quality plywoods work well. I use commonly a void free poplar plywood with Maple veneer on each side, it is available from Home Depot and is a full .745” thick. It is very rigid and not as heavy as MDF, the dust is also better to work with, but MDF would result in an even heavier enclosure. The enclosure is braced with 15/32” sheathing plywood. The front baffle and rear back are finally solid poplar heartwood.
        I am a strong believer in glue only whenever possible, all joints are glued and clamped with Titebond Premium glue as it cleans up well and dries incredibly strong. I start by cutting and assembling the tops and sides, then the back is glued on and flush trimmed to the sides. From there bracing is built and glued in, and the mid chamber is integrated into the bracing, the front plywood sub-baffle is attached and ultimately the poplar baffles attached and located with dowels and glued as a final step. Front and back edges feature generous 1.25” radius round overs.
        I lightly stuff empty pockets inside the enclosure with polyfill being very careful to not black flow to the ports.
        Crossover Design:

        I chose to use as simple of a crossover that would do the job for the Rally Sports, but being a 3-way its more complicated than the average 2-way. Crossover points are 200Hz and approx 1300Hz. Slopes between the woofer and midrange are 6 db/octave electrically and about 12 acoustically as I was able to incorporate the natural rolloff of each driver in that range. Between the mid and compression driver are 12/db LR slopes with a Zobel on the midrange to smooth out it’s impedance curve. I also added a baffle step on the midrange to bring it’s response down about 1db towards the CD compared to the CD, the midrange runs 1 db hot and the CD is padded down below the midrange to give that downward slope.
        The CD is tamed down, I “voiced” this to have very smooth high frequency response on axis in a typical dedicated audio listening room like I have. If you are using these for actual PA use or Home Theater, feel free to bring the CD up 1-2db, you can achieve this by lowering the value of R1 1ohm at a time until it’s where you want it. An adjustable L-pad could be used as well for the tweeter if you want to change this periodically, it would make sense.
        I used reasonably priced good quality components, I’ve listed them below, I’m not particularly a believer in using really expensive components, but if you are you could substitute values as you wish. As these stand they have no trouble with 2-300 watts for long periods of time, I usually run two resistors in series or parallel to achieve the final value to increase their power handling.
        Tips & Tricks:

        1 – Have fun and challenge yourself – remember you won’t learn anything new if you’re not willing to push yourself, make some mistakes and try to do something you’ve never done before.
        2 – In order to achieve the clean 2-tone look with no bleed over of the black stain, I aligned the poplar pieces with the plywood sub-baffles using dowels, then I routed the edges and did all sanding with these pieces doweled in place. Once all woodworking was complete, I stained the plywood enclosure ebony black, then glued and clmped the poplar panels in place, then finally did 4 coats of poly over the whole thing. Trying to tape off and stain rarely works well as the stain will bleed under virtually any tape.
        3 – I strongly recommend flush mounting the CD and the midrange to avoid any diffraction issues, the midrange is easy to do with a circle jig, the horn is much harder to do, but doable. Google search the phrase “javad seos horn MTM flush mount”, it should be the first hit, here I do a step-by-step on how to flush mount a horn or non-circular driver.
        4 – If you want to use these for portable PA use, I recommend building them out of ½” birch plywood and use moderate window bracing to keep them light and portable. If for home use like me, then weight isn’t as much of an issue, the way I built them they weigh about 90lbs each, these enclosures are incredibly rigid, non-resonant and well dampened.
        5 – When I cut the poplar for the front baffle, I let the grain cross from one baffle to the next, so these are a matched pair and when put side-by-side, the grain flows from one to another. Sort of a cool touch.






        The beginning of the midrange enclosure



        Poplar panels cut and glued up, they are oversized and flush trimmed.



        Back of midrange enclosure attached, 3" tube



        Inside view



        Poplar panels glued up, the grain flows from left to right from one speaker to the other.




        Beginnings of the extensive internal bracing, this is 1/2" plywood sheathing.




        Bracing coming along, midrange enclosure it tied into the bracing and integral to the cabinet.




        Bracing complete



        1.5" roundover complete

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        Javad Shadzi
        Bay Area, CA

        2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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        • #5
          Inside flare for ports, the back side has a receiver groove for the port tube.



          Both router guides for the horn, the flush mount and the baffle opening cutout.




          Cutting out the baffle openings



          Midrange flush mount and enclosure



          Back panels glue up, poplar heart wood, the back grain runs up and down




          Port tubes mounted from the rear in receiver grooves



          Sub baffle cutouts completed




          Horn flush mount done





          1.5' roundover on outside of port baffle




          Feet mocked up and ready to go

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          Javad Shadzi
          Bay Area, CA

          2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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          • #6
            Beautiful work! Those just look awesome!

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            • #7
              Black stain applied to main cabinet separate from the poplar front and rear panels





              Feet glued on




              Massive clamping effort to press the baffle perfectly flat and meticulously clean any glue squeeze out.




              Feet glued and clamped




              Installing Drivers




              Crossovers installed with velcro in bottom of cabinet, some light stuffing.




              Finished crossovers, nice to have so much room!




              Verification of port tuning frequency

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              Javad Shadzi
              Bay Area, CA

              2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jeff F. View Post
                Beautiful work! Those just look awesome!
                Thanks Jeff!
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                Javad Shadzi
                Bay Area, CA

                2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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                • #9
                  Interesting build. Did you have an opportunity to measure the t/s params of the PA385S? They were measured as part of another project undertaken several months ago on the DIYAudio Subwoofers forum and the measured specs did not match the published ones (only Fs was a close match). Also those CD drivers you've got there look a lot like Eminence APT150s rather than the Dayton D250Ts. Must be a trick of the light or something..
                  Brian Steele
                  www.diysubwoofers.org

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                  • #10
                    Nice!
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                    • #11
                      Javad,

                      Those turned out great! Very unconventional appearance for that type of speaker and it looks fantastic.

                      Did you do any comparisons on that midrange enclosure vs a normal chamber to see if the reverse horn loading had any real world effects? I remember seeing this at CES when we spoke.
                      Your results may vary.

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                      • #12
                        Stunning Javad! I still can't get over how nice you make the poplar look. You definitely have a keen eye when it comes to picking the boards.

                        Seems like a lot of your build stuff is oriented around the "Pro Audio" line but for home use, are you a fan of "LOUD" or was there some other reason you veered away from the traditional home drivers?
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                        • #13
                          Gorgeous build. Well done!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brian Steele View Post
                            Interesting build. Did you have an opportunity to measure the t/s params of the PA385S? They were measured as part of another project undertaken several months ago on the DIYAudio Subwoofers forum and the measured specs did not match the published ones (only Fs was a close match). Also those CD drivers you've got there look a lot like Eminence APT150s rather than the Dayton D250Ts. Must be a trick of the light or something..
                            Hey Brian, you know I didn't, I modeled off the published specs and fine tuned the port length to get the response I was looking for. Very pleased with these, they're not "subwoofers" but in room they are flat below 40hz. Also they get very loud and hold up down to that frequency, where a normal home audio woofer would bottom out much sooner. For $200 the seem like a great choice, very nice build quality, etc.

                            A couple more traditional 12 or 15" subwoofers taking 50Hz and below duty from these would be a very potent, loud combination too.

                            thanks!
                            Javad
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                            Javad Shadzi
                            Bay Area, CA

                            2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mattp View Post
                              Javad,

                              Those turned out great! Very unconventional appearance for that type of speaker and it looks fantastic.

                              Did you do any comparisons on that midrange enclosure vs a normal chamber to see if the reverse horn loading had any real world effects? I remember seeing this at CES when we spoke.
                              Thanks Matt! You know I didn't do a direct comparison, yet, was the first time I tried anything like this, however I was impressed by the smoothness (sound and FR) of the midrange and any lack of coloration. Can't say for sure though w/o a direct test, but didn't seem like the concept could hurt anything, always a benefit to keep internal enclosure reflections minimized.

                              Javad
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                              Bay Area, CA

                              2-Channel Stereo system in the works with Adcom components and 4-way towers

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