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  • RINNAV
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    Originally posted by fastbike1 View Post
    Before you do that, I would recommend you consider the OS MTMs as your second pair. More of everything that you like from the OS.

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  • bungelow_ed
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    What Lostboy and Larry said! Those came out very nice. In fishing parlance, you took at bait, and now you are hooked. Looking forward to seeing your next pair, TM or MTM. :D

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  • fastbike1
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    Before you do that, I would recommend you consider the OS MTMs as your second pair. More of everything that you like from the OS.


    Originally posted by Cajun Jeff View Post
    I have placed them at shoulder height and one at each end of the room (about 20 feet apart). They sound extraordinary. Clear, true, and rich with a surprising bass. I would REALLY like to add a second pair to round out the sound in my shop!

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  • lostboy77
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    beautiful pics.

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  • Cajun Jeff
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    I've finally gotten around to some "completed" photos. I must admit....as soon as they were assembled I connected them to my second hand Harmon Kardon in my workshop and found it VERY difficult to disconnect them for photos. In fact, I still need to open the backs up to glue the crossovers in place.

    I have placed them at shoulder height and one at each end of the room (about 20 feet apart). They sound extraordinary. Clear, true, and rich with a surprising bass. I would REALLY like to add a second pair to round out the sound in my shop!

    Here are a few photos of the finished pair....











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  • bungelow_ed
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    What Larry says! eBay is crawling with small lots of raw veneer. Ideal for experimenting with, or doing a set of baffles.

    Couple of other things you might be interested in. You can use hot press glue and an iron to do curves. I borrow my wifes iron, she complains, I butter her up with compliments and make sure the iron is clean when it gets back to the house. I get my veneer glues from www.theveneerstore.com. They have informational site call Joe Woodworker that you might find interesting.

    A press can be as simple as a piece of spare MDF and a couple of clamps. Look back through my OS build thread. There is a picture of my veneer press, a cabinet saw table, some MDF, a large piecs of wood as a caul and a couple of clamps. I have seen people use dumbells or cinder blocks in lieu of clamps and caul.

    Since you are working with Maple you might find pictures of my Talking Sticks interesting. There is a thread and pictures in my TT picture gallery. eBay sourced Tiger Maple dyed with Transtint "Vintage Maple." http://techtalk.parts-express.com/pi...pictureid=4135

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  • fastbike1
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    Ed and been chatting veneer offline. I have used Rosebud Veneer on ebay. good prices and usually offers larger widths than most, so you don't need to bookmatch. Also typically offers large lots at hugely better prices. Finally, packs extremely well. Reasonablly good variiety which varies. I have bought 6 or 7 lots from this dealer and have always got what was described. The biggest problem with crotch and burl besides price is that you usually can't get enough for one speaker much less a pair. What works for me in that case is to use the veneer in combination with contrasting veneer or paint. For example, a build on my books is a Wenge baffle with German Beech "eye" burl.

    Raw veneer is typically quite a bit less expensive than paperbacked. You do NOT want to use contact cement with raw veneer. It will likely penetrate the veneer.

    Originally posted by Cajun Jeff View Post
    Im a bit intimidated by raw veneer. I dont have a press or vacuum bag for one thing. Also, could I have got it bent round the corners of the front baffle like I did?

    ...and then theres the price.

    I am intrigued by some of the prettier veneers....birds eye, flame, crotch, figured, fiddleback.......but some of them get VERY expensive.

    Where do you buy materials?

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  • Cajun Jeff
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    Originally posted by bungelow_ed View Post
    I do things a little differently than you did. First, I use raw veneer. It tends to be available in higher grades than paperbacked. Second, I use cold press glue. Finally, I normally wait 10-12 hours to trim.

    I used paper backed veneer on my first veneer project, a pair of large Advents in utility cabinets. Technically they came out very well, I just was not happy with the results. It was on to raw veneer after that.

    More important than the router to me is the bit. Use the best quality your budget can afford. Treat it like a precision instrument and replace or sharpen it at the first sign of wear. My trim router is a Harbor Freight laminate router. This is my go to veneer trim router, despite owning Porter Cables, a DeWalt, a Black and Desker and a Freud.

    I am looking forward to seeing the boxes in finish! Post pics! :D
    Im a bit intimidated by raw veneer. I dont have a press or vacuum bag for one thing. Also, could I have got it bent round the corners of the front baffle like I did?

    ...and then theres the price.

    I am intrigued by some of the prettier veneers....birds eye, flame, crotch, figured, fiddleback.......but some of them get VERY expensive.

    Where do you buy materials?

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  • Cajun Jeff
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    Originally posted by fastbike1 View Post

    I apologize because it's a bit late for the grain raising advice.


    Ahhhh....no apologies needed. I appreciate any advice....and a good part of it is still relevent to my finish.

    Thanks

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  • bungelow_ed
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    Originally posted by Cajun Jeff View Post
    I can't imagine any other method of trimming being more efficient than using the router....but I sure would like to know how other people do it.


    It's entirely possible that had I waited a day to trim this wouldnt have happened. The glue having had some cure time. I veneered the entire cabinet in a day.
    I do things a little differently than you did. First, I use raw veneer. It tends to be available in higher grades than paperbacked. Second, I use cold press glue. Finally, I normally wait 10-12 hours to trim.

    I used paper backed veneer on my first veneer project, a pair of large Advents in utility cabinets. Technically they came out very well, I just was not happy with the results. It was on to raw veneer after that.

    More important than the router to me is the bit. Use the best quality your budget can afford. Treat it like a precision instrument and replace or sharpen it at the first sign of wear. My trim router is a Harbor Freight laminate router. This is my go to veneer trim router, despite owning Porter Cables, a DeWalt, a Black and Desker and a Freud.

    I am looking forward to seeing the boxes in finish! Post pics! :D

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  • fastbike1
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    I use 0000 synthetic steel wool in between coats of the poly. Very light (almost no) pressure.

    I forgot to note (kinda assumed you were familar w/ waterbased) that I wipe the surfaces with a damp rag before any stain in order to raise the grain. After 10 -15 minutes I go back with 320 grit and give a light pass over everthing to remove that raised grain. You should not need to sand (at least with anything more coarse than 600). The 0000 will take care of dust nibs and such. You can apply more pressure if necessary.

    I apologize because it's a bit late for the grain raising advice.


    Originally posted by Cajun Jeff View Post
    The color is much much richer with a coat or two of poly. Not darker or lighter. Just richer.

    Which brings me to my question. What have you used between coats of this stuff?

    steel wool?
    fine - sanding pad?
    320 or finer sand paper?

    It will definitely need something done in between to get the hand rubbed look/feel. I'd like to get about 3 coats down on all surfaces before any sanding though.

    Sure is easy washing the foam applicator in the sink with water after each coat.

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  • Cajun Jeff
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    Originally posted by bungelow_ed View Post
    Hey Jeff,

    Good summary of build and opportunities. I wouldn't think twice about the veneer trimming. Once you've listened for a while even you won't notice the imperfections. They are small and insignificant in comparison to the overall results.

    Nice dye color BTW, I can't imagine a decor where they wouldn't fir right in. Welcome to the wickedly satisfying world of thin woods! ;)
    I was using one of the best trim builts on the market(freud). Still, the paper backing...as I was trimming kept folding away from the bit and wrapping up onto the veneer surface. I had to go back after trimming each edge and gently scrape with a razor to unfold the paper backing(saturated with glue of course) and then sand it off. A few edges have areas where the veneer took no color....evidentlt because the glue soaked in some how. It sure appeared to have been all sanded away, but still....there it is.

    I can't imagine any other method of trimming being more efficient than using the router....but I sure would like to know how other people do it.


    It's entirely possible that had I waited a day to trim this wouldnt have happened. The glue having had some cure time. I veneered the entire cabinet in a day.

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  • Cajun Jeff
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    Originally posted by Wolf View Post
    The B series are Aluminum/Bronze alloy. (The M series are Aluminum/Magnesium.)

    Oh- and Magnesium is actually more of a silvery shade in color and tone.

    Later,
    Wolf
    ...and the "color" of the woofer is a coppery bronze color. I heat treated a 25 foot diameter propeller years ago that was made of a bronze alloy. It was the same color FWIW.

    It is a VERY attractive looking driver.

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  • Cajun Jeff
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    Originally posted by fastbike1 View Post
    Zo, ve are happy vis the color, yes?

    We predict further happy with the poly. Don't over work it.
    The color is much much richer with a coat or two of poly. Not darker or lighter. Just richer.

    Which brings me to my question. What have you used between coats of this stuff?

    steel wool?
    fine - sanding pad?
    320 or finer sand paper?

    It will definitely need something done in between to get the hand rubbed look/feel. I'd like to get about 3 coats down on all surfaces before any sanding though.

    Sure is easy washing the foam applicator in the sink with water after each coat.

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  • Wolf
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    Originally posted by fastbike1 View Post
    The Shaker Maple contrast with the magnesium driver will be sweet.
    The B series are Aluminum/Bronze alloy. (The M series are Aluminum/Magnesium.)

    Oh- and Magnesium is actually more of a silvery shade in color and tone.

    Later,
    Wolf

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