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Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

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  • Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

    The Breakfast Stouts went on a field trip to Mike Z's for a listening session today and the based on the success of the trip I'm going to call them done. This started off as an idea almost a year ago when the HiVi RT2 tweeters were on sale for $35.00. The tweeter sim I was working with for the current speaker is the same as what I was using for the bookshelf version posted here. http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...ighlight=stout.

    For the NS6 woofer I'd recommend a 30 to 40 liter cabinet tuned to 38 Hz using the previous baffle baffle width and distances from the top of the speaker and extending either the bottom or the speaker's depth to add volume to the cabinet. Here's a link to the build thread for some additional information http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...eakfast-stouts.

    For my cabinets I opted to re-purpose some $20.00-$30.00 Advent Laureate cabs. I bartered with R-Carpenter for help with the baffle project to get an insert made and the routing work done to receive the insert. I'll need to tweak the original grills a bit but they are still able to be installed and when they're in place the speakers look stock at first glance. Thanks for the awesome job on the inserts Roman.

    While at Mike Z's today he confirmed what I was already suspecting this could be my best build to date. A large part of that can be attributed to the fact that this would normally have been the most expensive tweeter I've worked with which is a part of what I'm hearing. If you snagged a set of RT 2 II's when they were selling for $35.00 each for another $105.00 you could purchase the Aura NS6 woofers and crossover parts for the build. I'll grab some additional photo's tonight once destructo girl settles down a bit.

    Take it easy
    Jay







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    Last edited by Brewski; 06-27-2012, 09:47 AM.
    "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

    Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
    Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
    Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
    Levitation TM
    - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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    Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

    Whether you know it or not, the tweeter network very much resembles my work on the RT1C-A on the Attitude project.
    0.68uF and 25 ohm, then 4.7uF/0.11mH/5.6uF, plus a 1 ohm resistor.

    So this Stout ended up where? 2.2kHz, BS4?

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    • #3
      Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

      I'd not realized that they were like the attitudes in that regard but I'll consider the similarity to be a good thing . Our conversation on the RT2C tweeter possibly being a bit rolled off on the top end convinced me to try to "tilt" them in the crossover. They model as 4th order bessel @ 2300 Hz for the tweeter, Woofer is 2nd order Bessel @ 1800 Hz a and the two drivers cross at around 2,400 hz.

      Take it easy
      Jay

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      "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

      Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
      Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
      Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
      Levitation TM
      - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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      • #4
        Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

        Well done (like all your other builds).
        I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
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        Swope TM http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=221818
        Econowave and Audio Nirvana AN10 fullrange http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=216841
        Imperial Russian Stouts http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...=1#post1840444
        LECBOS. http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...ghlight=lecbos

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        • #5
          Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

          Nice job, welcome to the land of planars!!
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          • #6
            Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

            Thanks guys... LOL Yeah this planar discovery could be bad for my speaker building budget... I've already started looking for another set of RT2II's in the classified section since I'm wanting to build another set of these to keep for myself. I intend to eventually give these to my uncle and his wife. You met him when we were at MWAF last year.

            I'm really hoping the three way design (HiVi RT2C/SS Disc D7608/9200-10/(2) HDS 831735) turns out at least as nice as these did. I think the one part that really gets me in this case though is the fact the cost came in below $200.00 in drivers and crossover parts. What you hear for that money spent doesn't equate I really regret not buying more of the RT2II's when they were on sale.

            Take it easy
            Jay
            "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

            Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
            Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
            Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
            Levitation TM
            - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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            • #7
              Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

              Looks good, nice, cheap drivers, what's not to like?
              I agree with your NS6 reco - they like a good bit of room for good bass.

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              • #8
                Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                Originally posted by donradick View Post
                Looks good, nice, cheap drivers, what's not to like?
                I agree with your NS6 reco - they like a good bit of room for good bass.
                I can see why you like the driver in your designs. I think it's a steal at the buyout price and I'll probably look to use a pair as the bottom end for a speaker competing at MWAF in the $200.00 and under category next year.

                The thing that surprises me is the amount of bass the NS6 puts out in 40 liters and the fact that it's not a one note boom. It leaves you thinking that's not right it shouldn't do that.

                Take it easy
                Jay

                Note: For those considering the build Madisound has the tweeter on sale for $60.00 each currently which would make the build cost ($225.00). Mike and I were thinking if you had to pay full price and use the RT2C ($345.00) they would still be worth building just not quite as attractive/staggering as building them for ($175.00)
                Last edited by Brewski; 06-27-2012, 10:27 AM. Reason: Found tweeter at another vendor
                "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

                Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
                Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
                Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
                Levitation TM
                - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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                • #9
                  Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                  Hey Jay, really nice work! I really admire your ability to take old cabs and buyout drivers and create a thing of sonic beauty. Based on the fact that Mike Z also heard these, I am confident that the Breakfast Stouts are really good performers.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                    Originally posted by jclin4 View Post
                    Hey Jay, really nice work! I really admire your ability to take old cabs and buyout drivers and create a thing of sonic beauty. Based on the fact that Mike Z also heard these, I am confident that the Breakfast Stouts are really good performers.
                    I not only heard these, but am considering building a pair. A good design is just that.. Period... and dollar for performance these cannot be beat. Yes, I do not think that for even $150 for the drivers using and RT1 as Jay suggests I could not design something that sounds better. His implementation works and works well. It should not and we laughed when I deemed them the best speakers no one will build because it seems so odd. I would not even want to try a TMM or MTM, they are just awesome as-is. They would make an amazing pair of intimate listeners. Just put on your favorite music and enjoy. They will not replace a monster tower or larger driver combo for shear presence, but they definitely have the magic. I tortured them at stout, moderate volumes and they had no issues handling anything from massive attack, to jazz trio stuff. Wolf's cap test CD was a good one too and an awesome mix to just throw on and run the gambit. There are a handful of speakers that exhibited some of the same behavior as these, and I will list them since it is a very short list:

                    Jclin's "Holdouts"
                    Roman's Seas/Eton combo for Phil P.
                    Jame's "JCW" by Curt and Wayne
                    my "Beasties"

                    ALL of which were significantly more money to build. Again, well done Jay! Certainly your best yet.
                    .

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                    • #11
                      Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                      I'm actually starting to lean in favor of keeping these and building something for MWAF next year and giving that to my uncle. My thinking is I'll probably never build a better speaker sound to dollar ratio wise. With that semi depressing thought I'm hesitant to give them away. If anyone else opts to give them I try I'll opt to give all the help I can over PM's as Fastbike and Burgmike could tell you from past builds. I'm headed out on vacation so I'll not be posting too much for the next couple of weeks.

                      Take it easy
                      Jay
                      "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

                      Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
                      Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
                      Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
                      Levitation TM
                      - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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                      • #12
                        Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                        A friend from Facebook is interested in these so I'm posting some additional info up for a cab mock up as well as a parts list. I'd get the tweeters at madisound and the rest from PE.

                        Take it easy
                        Jay
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                        "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

                        Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
                        Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
                        Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
                        Levitation TM
                        - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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                        • #13
                          Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                          I had a PM asking about tunings to use if someone wanted to build the "bookshelf" cabs I was originally thinking of using with the Peerless HDS woofer buyouts for the build. Using the numbers Roman measured on the driver I sent him, I'd tune a 22L cab to 45Hz (6.25" L by 2.5" D). You'll lose a bit of the potential bass output but it pushes the crossing of X-max below 40Hz for when the speaker is crossed over to a subwoofer.

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                          Take it easy
                          Jay
                          "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

                          Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
                          Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
                          Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
                          Levitation TM
                          - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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                          • #14
                            Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                            This my friend is wonderful information!

                            Originally posted by Brewski View Post
                            I had a PM asking about tunings to use if someone wanted to build the "bookshelf" cabs I was originally thinking of using with the Peerless HDS woofer buyouts for the build. Using the numbers Roman measured on the driver I sent him, I'd tune a 22L cab to 45Hz (6.25" L by 2.5" D). You'll lose a bit of the potential bass output but it pushes the crossing of X-max below 40Hz for when the speaker is crossed over to a subwoofer.

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                            Jay
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                            • #15
                              Re: Breakfast Stouts are done (HiVi RT 2 II Aura NS6 2 way)

                              Stinky just listen to them for a bit before committing to other options for your mains. You might find that if we could design a center to work with them that this could make for a pretty sweet setup for you. Although the "commie speakers" as you call them could also make for a pretty nice setup ;).

                              Take it easy
                              Jay
                              "I like Brewski's threads, they always end up being hybrid beer/speaker threads based on the name of his newest creation." - Greywarden

                              Breakfast Stout - HiVi RT2 II/Aurasound NS6
                              Imperial Russian Stout - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW146/(2) Fountek FW168s - Built by Fastbike
                              Ruination 2.5 way - Vifa DX25/Fountek FW168
                              Levitation TM
                              - Vifa BC25SG15/Fountek FW168

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