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  • Finally, I have The Blues!!

    At least my cousin does, I'm still working on mine :p. This project started about 11 months ago when I saw the HiVi L6-4R driver and wanted to figure out how or where to use it, just based on its looks :eek:. Super, super happy w/ how these turned out. It was a super fun (albeit long and drawn out) project. For anyone that cares to see how this all came about (also where I got the inspiration for their name), here's a link to its beginning... http://www.diyspeakerforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17.

    Thanks to so many people. Thanks Johnny for originally chiming in at the beginning of this project, thanks Andy for taking the time to build this for yourself, and many, many thanks to the boys at Meniscus Audio for taking the time to walk me through the design process!! Also, thanks to everyone here and on the AH forum for the years of putting up w/ all my dumb questions .

    Ironically, when I first started building speakers years back (using proven designs done by Paul K, Jim Holtz, Curt Campbell, etc) my ultimate goal was to get my feet wet by doing a pair for my garage/shop system just to clear all the skepticism in my mind. Then, if this actually worked and these speakers sounded good, I wanted to build some speakers for my home theater system to replace my JBL speakers that lack midrange. Obviously that first build worked above and beyond my expectations, because here I am about 5 builds later, finally watching that original goal come to fruition!! (Did I mention I LOVE building speakers?? :p)

    Part of my goal in this build was to make a budget friendly, but still excellent sounding speaker. What initially turned me on to the HiVi L6-4R driver (aside from its looks and fairly low cost) is that Swann uses this same driver in a few of their ultra expensive speakers, and that's always nice to brag about when you're showing off your build :rolleyes:. Another nice thing about this build that ended up just working out, is that if you don't want to go through the cabinet building process, the speakers in the pics here are Dayton Audio cabinets that you can purchase through PE.

    When we originally started this project, my goal was to simply make some TM speakers for my home theater system. So, through asking questions on the Meniscus forum, and through working w/ Chad at Meniscus on the ins and outs of crossover design, I hatched one raw version of what I intend to build. I brought the rough, naked version of this speaker over to my cousin Andy's (also very good friend and long time stereo fanatic as well) so he could hear it. He was thrilled w/ how they sounded, and he wanted some to replace his Paradigm home theater speakers but didn't want to wait a year+ for me to help him build some cabinets, so he purchased the pre-built Dayton cabinets. The original design spec'd a ported cabinet at 0.6cf, but they play very well in the 0.5cf Dayton cabinets. Here's a pic of Andy's TM.

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    My cousin wanted a bit more low end, full range from his fronts, so we decided to go ahead and do an MTM design as well. Here's a pic of the MTM, also in a Dayton Audio cabinet.

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    Once I get my speakers built, I'll post pics of those as well. The plan for my build is curved cabinets w/ Mahogany veneer, and maybe a walnut front baffle or semigloss black front baffle, but I'm not sure yet.

    I'll post better listening impressions once I get mine built, I don't want to just yet simply because I only have one built, so I haven't had a whole lot of time w/ them yet. From the times I've listened to Andy's system, I'm stunned at how good these little speakers that have less than $230 worth of drivers and xover components sound. For such a small package, these speakers definitely pack a punch!! I've never been a fan of bright speakers, and the first thing that stands out is how amazingly warm, natural and refreshing the mids and highs are. The other thing that stands out is the amount of bass such a small package produces; not overly dark sounding at all, but still a very respectable amount. One other thing that brings a smile to my face is their ability to play borderline ridiculous sound levels w/out breaking up. Once I have more time to listen to my own, I'll post up some more details about my impressions. Maybe I can talk Andy into posting his thoughts :D.

    The MTM sounds almost identical to the TM, just manages to dig lower in the bass arena.

    Meniscus also offers this as a kit on their website for anyone that's interested in it. This is the TM version, but I think they'll also be offering the MTM as a kit as well. Blues Bare Bones Kit, (Pair)

    Also, just FYI, the TM is 4 ohm and the MTM is 8 ohm.

    Also wanted to add that these are one of the speakers I'll be bringing to InDIYana this May. Very curious to hear what you guys think about how they sound!!
    "The ability of any system to produce exceptional sound will be limited mainly by the capability of the speakers" Jim Salk
    "Audio is surely a journey full of revelations as you go" JasonP

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    Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

    Outstanding! Nice job. Those look fantastic.
    ~Marty

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      Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

      Well Done!
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        Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

        I've been waiting for these to come to fruition for a long time ! They look great I'm ready for a set!

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          Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

          well done Matt.
          " To me, the soundstage presentation is more about phase and distortion and less about size. However, when you talk about bass extension, there's no replacement for displacement". Tyger23. 4.2015

          Quote Originally Posted by hongrn. Oct 2014
          Do you realize that being an American is like winning the biggest jackpot ever??

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          • #6
            Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

            Originally posted by jstslamd View Post
            I've been waiting for these to come to fruition for a long time ! They look great I'm ready for a set!
            You will not be disappointed :blues:. Let me know if I can answer any questions for you about sound or the build process, I'd love to help out!! Eventually, once I get my own built, I'd like to put up cabinet dims, port dims, crossover build specs, etc. But, I'm not the most savvy person when it comes to putting this on paper. Microsoft Word and searching the internet is about the extent of my computer knowledge :p. I've played w/ Google Sketchup but couldn't make anything like the guys here can. Maybe my 15 year old son can teach me.

            This might be a stretch, but I'd also like to someday put these in a transmission line tower cabinet but that's way beyond my skill set (calling Paul K and Dennis Murphy for some possible help w/ this??). I think this hot little woofer deserves a series of potential DIY designs .
            "The ability of any system to produce exceptional sound will be limited mainly by the capability of the speakers" Jim Salk
            "Audio is surely a journey full of revelations as you go" JasonP

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            • #7
              Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

              Originally posted by mattsk8 View Post
              You will not be disappointed :blues:. Let me know if I can answer any questions for you about sound or the build process, I'd love to help out!! Eventually, once I get my own built, I'd like to put up cabinet dims, port dims, crossover build specs, etc. But, I'm not the most savvy person when it comes to putting this on paper. Microsoft Word and searching the internet is about the extent of my computer knowledge :p. I've played w/ Google Sketchup but couldn't make anything like the guys here can. Maybe my 15 year old son can teach me.

              This might be a stretch, but I'd also like to someday put these in a transmission line tower cabinet but that's way beyond my skill set (calling Paul K and Dennis Murphy for some possible help w/ this??). I think this hot little woofer deserves a series of potential DIY designs .

              This woofer is way to sexy to not get any recognition.

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                Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                Did you say meniscus was going to offer the MTM version or not ?

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                  Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                  In case you haven't noticed yet, I sent you a private email yesterday volunteering to model a floor-standing ML-TL for you whenever you're ready. Since then I did some exploratory modeling using the published T/S values; if the actual T/S values of your drivers are reasonably close to the published values, you should be really pleased with the performance of an ML-TL. I modeled for a TM but an MTM will work just as well and have a larger dynamic range.
                  Paul

                  Originally posted by mattsk8 View Post
                  You will not be disappointed :blues:. Let me know if I can answer any questions for you about sound or the build process, I'd love to help out!! Eventually, once I get my own built, I'd like to put up cabinet dims, port dims, crossover build specs, etc. But, I'm not the most savvy person when it comes to putting this on paper. Microsoft Word and searching the internet is about the extent of my computer knowledge :p. I've played w/ Google Sketchup but couldn't make anything like the guys here can. Maybe my 15 year old son can teach me.

                  This might be a stretch, but I'd also like to someday put these in a transmission line tower cabinet but that's way beyond my skill set (calling Paul K and Dennis Murphy for some possible help w/ this??). I think this hot little woofer deserves a series of potential DIY designs .
                  Last edited by Paul K.; 04-11-2014, 10:26 AM.

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                    Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                    Man you are a Transmission line designing machine! These caught my eye whilst browsing meniscus kit sections a week or so ago. I was looking for a pair of bookshelves. The blues, wolf's stances, and a few of bagby's designs in the same price range all look like stellar builds. What to do.... What to do!

                    Originally posted by Paul K. View Post
                    In case you haven't noticed yet, I sent you a private email yesterday volunteering to model a floor-standing ML-TL for you whenever you're ready. Since then I did some exploratory modeling using the published T/S values; if the actual T/S values of your drivers are reasonably close to the published values, you should be really pleased with the performance of an ML-TL. I modeled for a TM but an MTM will work just as well and have a larger dynamic range.
                    Paul
                    My Build Thread's
                    Carrera's / Finalist TL's / Speedster TMM's / Speedster MTM Center / Overnight Sensation Surrounds

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                      Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                      You have to understand I'm retired and have lots of time to "play", plus I've modeled so many TLs over the last ~10 years (no way I know the actual count) that it doesn't take very much time to do enough exploratory modeling to know what the likely outcome will be.
                      Paul

                      Originally posted by Mike220 View Post
                      Man you are a Transmission line designing machine! These caught my eye whilst browsing meniscus kit sections a week or so ago. I was looking for a pair of bookshelves. The blues, wolf's stances, and a few of bagby's designs in the same price range all look like stellar builds. What to do.... What to do!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                        Thats awesome! Just hit my "10 year" mark currently however it should be 2001 instead of 04 start day they didnt count contract work! I'm am appreciative of your expertise in this area and the help you have provided me with!
                        My Build Thread's
                        Carrera's / Finalist TL's / Speedster TMM's / Speedster MTM Center / Overnight Sensation Surrounds

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                          Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                          You're very welcome and I appreciate your thanks. Modeling TLs for others is a whole lot less expensive than building more myself and helps hone my abilities.
                          Paul

                          Originally posted by Mike220 View Post
                          Thats awesome! Just hit my "10 year" mark currently however it should be 2001 instead of 04 start day they didnt count contract work! I'm am appreciative of your expertise in this area and the help you have provided me with!

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                            Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                            Originally posted by Paul K. View Post
                            You have to understand I'm retired and have lots of time to "play", plus I've modeled so many TLs over the last ~10 years (no way I know the actual count) that it doesn't take very much time to do enough exploratory modeling to know what the likely outcome will be.
                            Paul
                            It's not that he's retired and it's not that he's done hundreds of mock-ups on TL's; it's that there's no Ohio State football until September.

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                              Re: Finally, I have The Blues!!

                              Originally posted by Mike220 View Post
                              The blues, wolf's stances, and a few of bagby's designs in the same price range all look like stellar builds. What to do.... What to do!
                              You know you wanna....

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