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  • Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?

    Provided Link: various EVM 12L images


    Why is this speaker so highly regarded? It seems to have achieved legendary status, probably a side effect of its discontinuation.
    There seems to have been more than one model as well, I wonder if the specs are really the same.

    More importantly, what is a modern equavilent / replacement for this model? The Eminence Delta Pro-12A seems to match the specs very closely, but what about build quality and real-world performance?

    If you had to replace the EVM-12L with a new speaker, what would you use?

  • #2
    Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


    > Why is this speaker so highly regarded? It
    > seems to have achieved legendary status,
    > probably a side effect of its
    > discontinuation.
    > There seems to have been more than one model
    > as well, I wonder if the specs are really
    > the same.

    > More importantly, what is a modern
    > equavilent / replacement for this model? The
    > Eminence Delta Pro-12A seems to match the
    > specs very closely, but what about build
    > quality and real-world performance?

    > If you had to replace the EVM-12L with a new
    > speaker, what would you use?

    Maybe the "most excellent" EVM was made by Eminence....

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    • #3
      Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


      > Why is this speaker so highly regarded? It
      > seems to have achieved legendary status,
      > probably a side effect of its
      > discontinuation.
      > There seems to have been more than one model
      > as well, I wonder if the specs are really
      > the same.

      They were used a lot back in the day when horns were King. The d*mn thing could easily cover a decade of bandwidth when horn loaded. Most run of the mill 12" can't do that.

      > More importantly, what is a modern
      > equavilent / replacement for this model? The
      > Eminence Delta Pro-12A seems to match the
      > specs very closely, but what about build
      > quality and real-world performance?

      Delta pro 12 is an entierly different animal. It's more of a conventional bass-reflex box driver (Qts=.35). The Kappa pro is better for horn loading, but still won't give the bandwidth of the EVM12. The build quality of the Eminence drivers isn't bad - but the EVs always were a little better because of the air gap tolerances they had to keep to maintain that wicked-high EBP.

      > If you had to replace the EVM-12L with a new
      > speaker, what would you use?

      I think even the "equivalent" JBLs have been discontinued now, too. Closest thing available at PE is the B&C 12PE32 (see thread below on the tractrix horn).

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      • #4
        Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


        > If you had to replace the EVM-12L with a new
        > speaker, what would you use?

        Your budget?
        Application?
        Do you want great SQ ?

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        • #5
          Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


          > They were used a lot back in the day when
          > horns were King. The d*mn thing could easily
          > cover a decade of bandwidth when horn
          > loaded. Most run of the mill 12" can't
          > do that.

          > Delta pro 12 is an entierly different
          > animal. It's more of a conventional
          > bass-reflex box driver (Qts=.35). The Kappa
          > pro is better for horn loading, but still
          > won't give the bandwidth of the EVM12. The
          > build quality of the Eminence drivers isn't
          > bad - but the EVs always were a little
          > better because of the air gap tolerances
          > they had to keep to maintain that
          > wicked-high EBP.

          > I think even the "equivalent" JBLs
          > have been discontinued now, too. Closest
          > thing available at PE is the B&C 12PE32 (see
          > thread below on the tractrix horn).
          In addition to the high mass corner frequency needed for horn use, it also had low Le due to its edgewound coil, something not in the current Eminence line-up. Eminence used to make some edgewound equivalents, but I don't see them anymore.

          The B&C looks like a good deal.

          Some of the Ciare drivers look real good too. The 12.75NdMR for $172 has an 800hz mass corner, making it about 3dB more efficient (on a horn ) than the B&C.


          (Originally posted by: djk)

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          • #6
            Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


            > Your budget?

            Around $150 per woofer I guess, I need two.

            > Application?

            PA. vocal reinforcement. Light duty use for music listening, high quality only important for vocals.

            > Do you want great SQ ?

            Depends on the cost. This is sort of a side question to my previous post about the tractrix horn. I had some drivers picked out, but then realized I was in over my head, and now am trying to figure out what characteristics of the EVM-12L were so good that nothing modern can seen to match.

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            • #7
              Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


              If your budget rose to ~ $225 per woofer,
              you could have John from AE build you the
              awesome Lambda TD12X or TD15X woofer w/faraday
              motor. There is no better sounding woofer for
              that application.

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              • #8
                Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


                Can you post any more info on these woofers? I don't know anything about them, or "John from AE" and I might be interested. This is sort of a personal project I am doing and there is no fixed budget necessarily, but I don't really need the absolute best speaker either.
                The perfect speaker in my mind would be one that had a great freq response, up into the 10khz range, but I know that's a lot to ask for from such a speaker. Original plan was to pair this with a high-power super tweeter, but that is still a long way off.

                > If your budget rose to ~ $225 per woofer,
                > you could have John from AE build you the
                > awesome Lambda TD12X or TD15X woofer
                > w/faraday
                > motor. There is no better sounding woofer
                > for
                > that application.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why is the EV EVM-12L so good?


                  Send me email to

                  thylantyr at hotmail dot com

                  I'll give you the skinny on the Lambda woofer.

                  John Janowitz @
                  <A HREF="http://www.acoustic-elegance.com/">http://www.acoustic-elegance.com/</A>

                  He bought the Lambda inventory and hand builds
                  to order.


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