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  • #2
    A 2-way with the M8A/M8N is a pretty tall order. Do you have a tweeter picked out, or do you want to build with plans someone else did?

    Later,
    Wolf
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    • #3
      So . . . you're wanting to build WHAT: 2 "mains", 3 L/C/Rs, 2 mains + 2 surrounds, or the "5" speakers from a 5.1 "system"????
      What speakers do have already? How many ND28s and how many M8Ns? Do you actually have ANY M5Ns? Any M6Ns?

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      • #4
        If you're an advanced woodworker, you could look into the some of the 2-ways that Jon Marsh over at HTGuide did with the M8A (M8N) several years ago. I forget which tweeters he used. I'm sure someone here must remember this, right?
        Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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        • #5
          He and Thomas had an MTM with the XT25/M8A, as well as a 2-way with a Hales Transcendence tweeter, and likely a few more.

          If Ed Froste ever finishes his 'Gold Facts', you would have a likely alternative to the Statements with all HiVi drivers.

          Later,
          Wolf
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          • #6
            1st you made it sound like you had the "N" series, but now it seems like you actually have the "A" series (most likely not directly "swappable")?

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            • #7
              The first one you posted above is actually the one Jon and Thomas collaborated on. I do know it was a cauer-elliptical high order mess of a nightmarish kind of xover (but I really don't have room to talk), which is Jon's typical MO.

              I guess it wasn't that complicated...
              I found it in my archive...
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              Hope that helps!
              Wolf
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              • #8
                AFAIK, they are virtually identical. Oh- the attachments above are for both the single woofer and MTM version, IIRC.

                Later,
                Wolf
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                • #9
                  While I don't know the actual volume, I can speculate it's between 68 and 80 ltrs with a 40ltr/3" port tuned to about 35Hz for an F3 of 33Hz- each. The 80 ltrs looks like a good approximation of the towers above, which would require two 7" long ports. I bet you could approximate spacing beyond that info. I would also speculate that the XT25TG30 is the model used, as the BG50 was not yet available at the time this project was originally conceived.

                  This ain't yer momma's mini-HT 'hidden satellite'....

                  Later,
                  Wolf
                  Last edited by Wolf; 03-09-2017, 03:34 AM. Reason: Clarified for requiring 2 ports for 2 woofers in 80 ltrs total
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                  • #10
                    http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...-MTM-minitower

                    Try that...
                    That's about all I can find,
                    Wolf
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                    • #11
                      I see. So (assuming the A-series can be dropped into any N-series design) what YOU'd like would be XOs for a pair of 8" TM mains (M8As), a pair of 5" TM surrounds (M5A), and a WtmW center using a pair of 6" woofers (your M6As), and a 5" mid that you have yet to buy - and basically ANY tweeter that will work well w/these drivers (PROBably the ND28 - which you also would have to buy 5 of), correct?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jer32383
                        Almost. The mains is where we aren't on the same page. I'd like TMM (?) ND28 tweeter, M5N for the mid, and an M8N woofer.
                        A standard 3-way.

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                        • #13
                          So, it SEEMs like the "Swope CC" MIGHT work for you. Same tweeter and mid, you just need the Low Pass (filter) modded for a single 8ohm 8" instead of a pair of 6"ers (which acts like a 4ohm driver). The pair of 6s (in the CC) most likely are more sensitive than the single M8A would be, BUT . . . if you put the 8" near the floor (in a tower) you'd probably be OK w/possibly only a small amount of additional attenuation to the tweeter (and maybe the mid).

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                          • #14
                            Yes. I'm sure with a bit more research I can figure it out if no one else does first. Right now I've been busy game planing how to get rails on my table saw for the biesemeyer fence. (If anyone cares the fence mounts from the bottom not the edge of the top. It's a foley-belsaw, obviously part of why they had trouble penetrating the commercial market ) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jer32383
                              Yeah so the more I look at it the more I realize that crossover is a bit crazy for my level of knowledge. Is it possible to tell me what this crossover would look like with an 8" (or two 8" if that's more appropriate) instead of the two 6". Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
                              What it shows you is a layout connected to a 4-pole barrier/euro strip. If you wanted to build the M8-MTM, all the info is right there.

                              The Swope Tower is more similar to what you are looking for. Essentially, it's a Swope Center flipped on its end with the driver order rearranged. TMWW with a pair of M6A. I don't recall there being much of a change between the xovers.

                              That said- I think the dual M8 or single M8 adapted to that would require some changes to sound right due to different sensitivities, a much larger box requirement (80 ltrs), and stronger breakup modes.

                              Later,
                              Wolf
                              "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                              "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                              "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
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