Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Apple's new 1 liter speaker: 10mm xmax woofer, 8 amps, 7 tweeters w/horn, 6 mics

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    I'll be buying one next week when I go to the US. After studying the staggering technology, I suspect the speaker is going to be so good it will be demoralizing. In the Reddit thread it says it sounds better than the $1000 KEF X300A, I'm simultaneously surprised and not surprised. I'm not surprised because given the technology and design, it should sound better. I'm surprised because this kind of head and shoulders better performance actually happened.

    Kudos for Apple for bringing such advanced audio technology to the masses.

    The traditional speaker companies selling entry level bookshelf speakers are going to be heading toward dark times... They are beaten in every single way - convenience, size, ease of use, and sound quality

    Comment


    • #47
      It sounds like this thing is really techno-awesome, but doesn't anyone care about stereo anymore? Wouldn't you need two of these to get stereo sound?
      Is that how it works, or is stereo just not an option with these?

      I got one of those tiny Google home assistant things for Christmas and while it's not on the level of this Apple device, it's got great voice clarity for it's tiny size, they're really packing a lot of tech into these small packages!

      TomZ
      *Veneering curves, seams, using heat-lock iron on method *Trimming veneer & tips *Curved Sides glue-up video
      *Part 2 *Gluing multiple curved laminations of HDF *Cello's Speaker Project Page

      *Building the "Micro-B 2.1 Plate Amplifier -- Part 1 * Part 2 * Part 3 * Part 4 * * Part 5 'Review' * -- Assembly Instructions PDF

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by bcodemz View Post
        I'll be buying one next week when I go to the US.
        Hi Brian, bring it with you to the next event you attend so others can check it out, it looks interesting and I'm curious how good it really is.

        My "No-Name" CC Speaker
        Kerry's "Silverbacks"
        Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
        The Archers
        Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
        The Gandalf's

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by tomzarbo View Post
          It sounds like this thing is really techno-awesome, but doesn't anyone care about stereo anymore? Wouldn't you need two of these to get stereo sound?
          Is that how it works, or is stereo just not an option with these?
          TomZ
          ​That's a good question, because most of the other WiFi speaker brands offer stereo pairing and multi-room capability. According to this article, stereo pairing and multi-room are coming later, but those capabilities are not part of the launch configuration.
          Free Passive Speaker Designer Lite (PSD-Lite) -- http://www.audiodevelopers.com/Softw...Lite/setup.exe

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by tomzarbo View Post
            It sounds like this thing is really techno-awesome, but doesn't anyone care about stereo anymore? Wouldn't you need two of these to get stereo sound?
            Is that how it works, or is stereo just not an option with these?

            I got one of those tiny Google home assistant things for Christmas and while it's not on the level of this Apple device, it's got great voice clarity for it's tiny size, they're really packing a lot of tech into these small packages!

            TomZ
            There's definitely a stereo option. If you buy 2, it'll be set up as a stereo pair. (EDIT my bad seems like there's no stereo option, which is very weird) They are sold in singles partially so the price doesn't discourage average Joe's. Chances are, most people start with one, and then get a second one. I remember talking to a dealer once and he told me he has a 90% customer return rate with Sonos (and he loves it, of course). Good idea to reel people in bit by bit.

            If you liked the little Google Home, you'll be in for a shock when you hear these. The Sonos Play 1 is noticeably better than the Google Home, and the Play 1 does not sound KEF level good.

            Originally posted by Kevin K. View Post

            Hi Brian, bring it with you to the next event you attend so others can check it out, it looks interesting and I'm curious how good it really is.
            ​That's a great idea! I'll be sure to bring it.

            Comment


            • #51

              Comment


              • #52
                Originally posted by tktran View Post
                The main irritation is that currently, you’’re locked into Apple’s own Apple Music streaming service (will Spotify, Tidal, other 3rd party access be allowed)
                Apple Music is only required if you want to use it as a voice-controlled audio player.

                I'd be shocked if Apple doesn't roll out voice control for other applications in the future.

                If you don't need/want voice control, you can simply stream audio to it via AirPlay (which uses lossless 44.1khz 16bit audio) from any application. AirPlay is a more or less open standard.

                MacOS, and iOS can stream audio from any application to AirPlay, so people already already using Spotify, Tidal, or whatever on those platforms already have everything they need.

                On Windows, iTunes can talk to Airplay speakers. With the addition of an inexpensive bit of software (Airfoil, and I believe there are cheaper competitors) any application can stream over AirPlay. Similar solutions exist for Android.

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by JohnBooty View Post
                  AirPlay is a more or less open standard.
                  Less.

                  "I just use off the shelf textbook filters designed for a resistor of 8 ohms with
                  exactly a Fc 3K for both drivers, anybody can do it." -Xmax

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Yeah it's not open by any means, but super easy to reverse engineer and toss on a raspberry pi or similar. I'm building a set of 3 self contained preamp/amp/streaming boxes consisting of a minidsp, raspberry pi for Airplay and an IcePower stereo module at the moment. I'm making a dual 125 watt at 4-ohm version and a dual 250-watt at 4 ohm version, as well as a dual 500 watt monoblock version.

                    So, the box will have the option of analog stereo inputs or Airplay streaming. Planning on using a Schiit or other external DAC since I don't want to bother with an internal DAC in the box.

                    Since I'm in the Apple ecosystem, should be a pretty nice solution.

                    Point being, Airplay isn't as open as other standards, but also the code for implementing it into DIY solutions is already all over the net, and the streaming quality is way up there. The only downside is that it slings from your phone/computer to the airplay receiver, instead of using something like Spotify connect, which uses your phone as a remote and streams from Spotify servers directly to the end-device.

                    The advantage of Spotify's way is that you're free to do other stuff with your phone once you start the stream. The downside is you need an internet connection and the quality isn't as high as Airplay.

                    Airplay has a quality advantage and works over an ad-hoc network if you're just streaming local content, so that's a big bonus. Downside: your source device has to be in range and not turned off while streaming. And, of course, Apple ecosystem. But, like JohnBooty mentioned, there are solutions for windows computers as sources. Less so for Android.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by tomzarbo View Post
                      It sounds like this thing is really techno-awesome, but doesn't anyone care about stereo anymore?
                      As with most bluetooth type speakers (which this would be closest related to), these are meant more for ambient music while a person moves around and goes about their business. "Stereo" is only enjoyed when you sit down in one exact position and sit and listen. I don't think this being marketed as that. This is work around the house all day and still listen to really good sounding music in the background.

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Yes, bluetooth speakers are more for background noise, like a portable radio for those who lived in the 90's. Many bluetooth speakers place the high frequency drivers at opposite ends of the box for "stereo".
                        Click image for larger version

Name:	22fb14e6-1650-4458-871a-a64606d22cea.jpg._CB297972684_.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	128.8 KB
ID:	1365378
                        "I just use off the shelf textbook filters designed for a resistor of 8 ohms with
                        exactly a Fc 3K for both drivers, anybody can do it." -Xmax

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Bluetooth/is aptX a more open
                          Line-input is most open
                          My TV (2016 OLED) and projector (2017 LCD) and Windows 10 supports Miracast.

                          The only things I have that does Airplay seamlessly is Apple devices (yes, we have the whole gamut of iDevices here at home)
                          I hate vendor lock-in, which is what Apple does very well.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            I feel some may be missing what I feel is the true importance of the HomePod.

                            Apple has managed to get some pretty impressive results from a tiny speaker by smart application of fairly serious computing power. It's obvious that a speaker of this sort can't beat a good set of stereo speakers if you're sitting in the sweet spot. However, outside of the sweet spot, the HomePod turns in some impressive results because essentially the entire room is the "sweet spot."

                            Even if you'd rather gnaw your own arm off than buy anything made by Apple, this redefines "state of the art."

                            Imagine this level of room awareness applied to a larger speaker, with... let's say a 3-way design in a 5L enclosure, with a 5.5" long-throw woofer, and separate midrange and tweeter drivers. Imagine it coming from somebody other than Apple, if the word "Apple" makes you gnash your teeth.

                            That's pretty exciting to imagine, and that is the reason for intense interest in the HomePod from a lot of audiophiles. Even if you're not buying one (I'm not) it could pave the way for some truly amazing stuff.

                            Comment


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by 300Z View Post

                              I looked at his testing. His conclusions don't match what I see in his graphs. I don't trust it. Accurate in room testing is hard. Testing this beast is even harder.

                              Consumer Reports has put out a preliminary report on the Home Pod. I only don't trust CR for high-end audio reviews, but for consumer products and comparitive testing, I think they'll be pretty accurate. They said:

                              https://www.consumerreports.org/smar...-test-results/

                              "And our testers found that the Apple's speaker does deliver very good audio performance, though it's not the best-sounding wireless speaker in our ratings - or even the best sounding smart speaker."

                              "But the Snos One and the Google Home Max also received Very Good ratings - and their sound quality scores were slightly higher."

                              "The HomePod's bass was a bit boomy and overemphisized. And the midrange tones were somewhat hazy, meaning that some of the nuance in vocals, guitars, and horns was lost..." Treble sounds, like cymbals, were underemphasized."

                              "The bottom line? Overall the sound of the HomePod was a bit muddy compared with what the Sonos One and Google Home Max delivered."


                              The bar has been so lowered for what good audio is. I'm not sure more people, including myself, know how to judge a speaker sound quality (smily face eq is best right?). Amazing technology. Especially some of the room positioning eq I've heard about. But, I think the Apple-hype train is also runing full speed.
                              - Ryan

                              CJD Ochocinco ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
                              CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
                              CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center
                              CJD In-Khan-Neatos - A Dayton RS180/RS150/RS28 In/On Wall MTW

                              Comment


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by mattk View Post
                                And like Amazon's Echo and Google's Home, it is listening to everything you say, and sending that to a giant computer farm which may or may not be recording everything you say, but is undoubtedly analyzing.

                                Precisely. The target demo for this speaker is anyone who doesn't care about any aspect of their life/privacy being open source for Apple/Google/Whomever (perfect for Apple, since most Apple users absolutely DONT care as long as they have the newest and latest).

                                Don't forget it's very possible that Apple has relationships with other parties to share whatever information that glean from these devices. Facebook does the same thing. Never mind that there are probably hackers out there who can compromise it within *minutes*.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X