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  • #61
    Originally posted by dcibel View Post

    Back in the olden days, active crossovers were made using these things called "op-amps". For an example, have a look at the Linkwitz Orion.

    So why is that bad compared to "DSP", all most DSP does is the XO, very few actually implement room correction and even it they do it won't match with the MWAF room. DSP can do a lot of fancy stuff, but mostly goes un-utlized....! so go for it.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ani_101 View Post


      So why is that bad compared to "DSP", all most DSP does is the XO, very few actually implement room correction and even it they do it won't match with the MWAF room. DSP can do a lot of fancy stuff, but mostly goes un-utlized....! so go for it.
      Hi Ani,

      I hosted Iowa DIY in 2004 & 2006 and had similar rules for active or "unlimited" systems. The rule of thumb was, if you can't set up the speakers in 5 minutes, it probably should be in the unlimited class. DSP's as active crossovers still require amps for each channel. So, a 2-way, needs 2 amps, a 3 way requires 3 amps and so on. 5 channel amps have made this much easier but there's still lots of cabling involved. We ran the Unlimited class at the end of the show since we only had the event one day.

      HTH

      Jim

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      • #63
        Interesting. There's certainly some active plate amps from Hypex, MiniDSP, and maybe even Dayton in the future that can certainly simplify the setup time to be perhaps even more plug and play than a passive speaker.

        I would have expected that if I brought my Bamboozled project to WMAF that it would be entered in the unlimited category simply because it is an active system, but I wouldn't have spent more than 5 minutes setting it up.
        Don't waste your money on a new set of speakers, you get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers. Next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways it's still rock and roll to me!

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        • #64
          Would someone please post some names to go along with the photos? I'm trying to read the winners list, but I have names without pictures, and pictures without names.
          Don't waste your money on a new set of speakers, you get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers. Next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways it's still rock and roll to me!

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          • #65
            Originally posted by ani_101 View Post
            I could't stay for long for the after party, but Javad thanks for setting it up and the speakers which made it there. Always fun to hand out in a casual atmosphere and listing to music and speakers....!

            Brian, always an issue - I had made several versions of my crossover to add in another 2-3 db of bsc based on feedback from SD, but decided to go with the original one as I felt it missed out on some of the "magic", though the measurements were very similar, the music sounded dull and flat. The XO which I had was for placing the speakers on a desk about 9-12 inched from the back wall and it sounds very full, but out in the middle of the room, the bass is a bit thin. But in the big room, it didn't sound too bad, so it's good i guess.

            Any other feedback on the MCM MTM would be appreciated. These were the MTM with aluminium woofers on a white baffle.

            Although your speakers were quite conventional in their design, I thought they sounded fantastic. I had you second in the Under $200 class. Great job.
            Eric L.

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            • #66
              No one else has taken a stab at this yet, so I will make an attempt. Gonna need some help on a few of them. I'll update them as you respond to fill them in. It seems like some pictures are missing from Matt's list but maybe not. It's what I have to work with so if there are others missing, let me know, perhaps Bill will have them. Starting with the photos in the same order Matt posted them.

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              Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-19-2017, 10:11 PM.
              My "No-Name" CC Speaker
              Kerry's "Silverbacks"
              Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
              The Archers
              Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
              The Gandalf's

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              • #67
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ID:	1339444 Open Unlimited, Perry M, (Project Name?), Forum Name: ??

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ID:	1339445 Over $200, Julian F, "Prunus-Jungians Concerto", Forum Name: ??

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ID:	1339448 Over $200, Paul K, "The Brioso's", Forum Name: Paul K. 1st Place Winner Over $200
                Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-19-2017, 10:02 PM.
                My "No-Name" CC Speaker
                Kerry's "Silverbacks"
                Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
                The Archers
                Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
                The Gandalf's

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                • #68
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                  Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-19-2017, 10:01 PM.
                  My "No-Name" CC Speaker
                  Kerry's "Silverbacks"
                  Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
                  The Archers
                  Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
                  The Gandalf's

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Kevin K. View Post
                    No one else has taken a stab at this yet, so I will make an attempt.
                    Thanks, Kevin. If I happen to judge again next year I'll be a little more prepared with notes.
                    Your results may vary.

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                    • #70
                      Thanks Kevin, much appreciated!
                      Don't waste your money on a new set of speakers, you get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers. Next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways it's still rock and roll to me!

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                      • #71
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ID:	1339463 Dayton Audio, John H, "Udique XL", Forum Name: Jhollander, 2nd Place Winner Dayton Audio

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ID:	1339464 Dayton Audio, Kole K, "The Black Widows", Forum Name: Kole K., 3rd Place Winner Dayton Audio
                        Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-20-2017, 02:52 PM.
                        My "No-Name" CC Speaker
                        Kerry's "Silverbacks"
                        Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
                        The Archers
                        Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
                        The Gandalf's

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                        • #72
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ID:	1339468 Dayton Audio, Thomas Z, "The Esoteries", Forum Name: tomzarbo, 1st Place Winner Dayton Audio

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                          Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-19-2017, 09:59 PM.
                          My "No-Name" CC Speaker
                          Kerry's "Silverbacks"
                          Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
                          The Archers
                          Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
                          The Gandalf's

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                          • #73
                            I'm going to need a lot of help in the "Under $200" class, please let me know if you can assist.

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ID:	1339475 Under $200, John H, "BMR-3L", Forum Name: jhollander, 3rd Place Winner Under $200

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                            Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-19-2017, 09:58 PM.
                            My "No-Name" CC Speaker
                            Kerry's "Silverbacks"
                            Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
                            The Archers
                            Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
                            The Gandalf's

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                            • #74
                              Thanks PE for the great times again! Thanks to all for the kind words towards my project. It was a wonderful time again getting together with the speaker geek nation and getting to talk to everyone, also meeting some new crew! All the entry's were winners as far as I'm concerned, it's great to be part of such a wonderful tight knit group of people that do what we do. Till next year, peace!
                              A mains
                              The Ventures
                              Open Invit8tions
                              RSR
                              Sound Troopers
                              Acorns
                              442
                              DGBG's
                              The Monuments

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                              • #75
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                                Last edited by Kevin K.; 07-20-2017, 02:53 PM.
                                My "No-Name" CC Speaker
                                Kerry's "Silverbacks"
                                Ben's Synchaeta's for Mom
                                The Archers
                                Rick's "db" Desktop CBT Arrays
                                The Gandalf's

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