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    Hi everyone,

    I've decided to build 2 sealed Dayton RSS315HF-8A subs and will be powering with a BASH300 right now until I save up for an iNuke. I would like to wire them in parallel for a 4 ohm total load so I get the most out of the amp. (Yes, I know, small drivers and amp, but works for now for my tiny room and current budget). Theoretically, I know how to do this. However, I am clueless on how to actually practically do it. I also would like to build and set them up so that I can easily convert to using the iNuke when I get it, if that is possible.

    If this means I build a small MDF enclosure around the BASH amp and keep it separate from the subs, I will do that. I have 0 knowledge here, so any direction and help is appreciated! Thank you.

    Wolf I went back and re-read your post to me, hoping you can provide some more helpful info!

  • #2
    I don't know that I like the idea of using that amp with those subs. It is a small amp for those two drivers, also how far apart are the enclosures going to be? That plate amp has some pretty small gauge wire to connect to the subs too. I think I would just wait and get the bigger amp later. However, if you must have some bass now, how about using just one sub with the bash for now?

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    • #3
      This is way easier than you think and will work great. You can build a separate enclosure for the amp or not. I think I would just to keep things cleaner. You only need to connect both positive speaker terminals to the positive output on the amp and both negative speaker terminals to the negative output on the amp. The best way to do this IMO is to provide speaker terminals as outputs on the amp box you build, then make the connections to them from inside. Then all you ever have to do is connect those outputs to whatever subs you want to run.

      Dan
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      • #4
        Dan is correct. I was just suggesting build a sub as you intend with the amp in the sub-box, and have a set of terminals connect from that box to the other. I like Neutrik Speakons, but it can be binding post plates, barrier strips or whatever electrical connector you wish to use.

        Later,
        Wolf
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        • #5
          Thanks everyone. I think I will make a separate enclosure for the amp and use speakon terminals (they seem to be the most popular with DIYers). I believe they are used when people use external amps like the iNukes?

          So I guess I need to purchase wire that connects the subs to the speakons? Does regular speaker wire work for this? I have some extra. Or do I need special wires for this application?

          Do I have 1 speakon in the amp box? And is there a splitter?

          I feel really dumb haha, but I just need to figure it out, sorry for all the questions.

          I am assuming I need to buy:

          3-4 speakons
          2 speakon cables
          splitter of some kind?

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          • #6
            Definitely use the speakons. The inukes use them so you will already be ahead when you get it.

            I would do 2 speakon connectors at the amp and just wire them in parallel there. Then 2 cables out. Save some money on the cables by making your own.
            https://www.facebook.com/Mosaic-Audi...7373763888294/

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            • #7
              For a separate enclosure, you'll need 4 Speakon connectors (2 on the amp box and 1 on each sub box), 2 Speakon cables, and some wire for inside the amp box and the sub boxes. Regular speaker wire is fine, preferrably at least 16ga as the runs will be short. No splitter necessary - you literally just connect the positive amp wire to both positive Speakon terminals and the negative amp wire to both negative Speakon terminals. The connections should be electrically and physically sound, so use either solder or wire nuts or crimp connections, etc. Piece of cake.

              Dan
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              • #8
                Awesome.

                There seem to be a lot of different speakon connectors. Which ones specifically am I looking for?



                Can I get 4 of these?

                https://www.avshop.ca/wire-amp-cable...pe-panel-mount

                And then either 4 of these and wire to make my own cables.
                https://www.avshop.ca/wire-amp-cable...akon-connector

                Or 2 of these?
                https://www.amazon.ca/Monoprice-1087...ywords=speakon


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                  Awesome.

                  There seem to be a lot of different speakon connectors. Which ones specifically am I looking for?



                  Can I get 4 of these?

                  https://www.avshop.ca/wire-amp-cable...pe-panel-mount

                  And then either 4 of these and wire to make my own cables.
                  https://www.avshop.ca/wire-amp-cable...akon-connector

                  Or 2 of these?
                  https://www.amazon.ca/Monoprice-1087...ywords=speakon

                  Yes and/or yes, those will work. Another benefit of building a separate enclosure for the bash amp, is that you can easily use it for other projects later on when you decide to upgrade to the iNuke.
                  My modest builds:
                  Armadillo TM, A.K.A. Lil' Dillo
                  Tarkus/Armadillo build #2
                  Armadillo Center Channel
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                  • #10
                    Excellent thank you! Once I get building Iíll probably start a thread.

                    Thanks again!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wolf View Post
                      Dan is correct. I was just suggesting build a sub as you intend with the amp in the sub-box, and have a set of terminals connect from that box to the other....
                      I did just this with a pair of tapped horn subs, albeit with the amp in a bustle on the back of one so it doesn't interfere with horn tuning. The nice thing about this amp is the power rating nearly doubles with half the impedance, so you get 150W per sub, regardless if you connect one or two. This horn was rated at 75W so this application has the headroom your lacks... for now. You may find it's plenty of power, or you may explore clipping behavior.

                      Have fun,
                      Frank

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fbov View Post
                        I did just this with a pair of tapped horn subs, albeit with the amp in a bustle on the back of one so it doesn't interfere with horn tuning. The nice thing about this amp is the power rating nearly doubles with half the impedance, so you get 150W per sub, regardless if you connect one or two. This horn was rated at 75W so this application has the headroom your lacks... for now. You may find it's plenty of power, or you may explore clipping behavior.

                        Have fun,
                        Frank

                        Thanks Frank. Right now with the amp hooked up to 1 sub it's plenty of power for me and no clipping. The gain is set at about 60-70% and the sub rattles my walls. The room is very small, about 13x8x8.

                        I want to add a second because I can get it for cheap and it will smooth out the bass response in the room. Also would play around with placing it right behind the MLP for increased tacticle feeling. We'll see! It's good to know the option is here for me to build it and easily swap for the iNuke when the time comes.

                        Last question...a little unsure how I am connecting the speaker wire to the speakons. DanP I dont have a soldering iron, so would I need to purchase these?

                        http://nextgenguitars.ca/products/cr...BoCrgAQAvD_BwE

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                        • #13
                          Speakons are either 2-pole or 4-pole in the standard size, and there is a larger 8-pole version. If you get the Inuke, chances are it has a 2-pole and 4-pole. The 4-pole are used to bridge amplifiers as both channels come through the 4 contacts. If it was me- I would get 4-pole Speakons and jacks to give you the flexibility. The 2-pole will work in the 4-pole jack, but only 2 contacts will connect. The STX models are solder-only, so you don't want those. If you are only using them as single channel connections (they are labeled as +/-1 and +/-2 terminals), then just use +/-1 terminals with + being red and - being black.

                          I take it you are out of the country, because you can get Speakons right here at our friendly distributor PE.

                          You won't need the crimp terminals except for connecting the drivers if they have the fast-on connections. The Speakons (except the STX) are all screw-terminals.

                          Later,
                          Wolf
                          "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                          "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                          "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                          "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                          *InDIYana event website*

                          Photobucket pages:
                          http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                          My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wolf View Post
                            Speakons are either 2-pole or 4-pole in the standard size, and there is a larger 8-pole version. If you get the Inuke, chances are it has a 2-pole and 4-pole. The 4-pole are used to bridge amplifiers as both channels come through the 4 contacts. If it was me- I would get 4-pole Speakons and jacks to give you the flexibility. The 2-pole will work in the 4-pole jack, but only 2 contacts will connect. The STX models are solder-only, so you don't want those. If you are only using them as single channel connections (they are labeled as +/-1 and +/-2 terminals), then just use +/-1 terminals with + being red and - being black.

                            I take it you are out of the country, because you can get Speakons right here at our friendly distributor PE.

                            You won't need the crimp terminals except for connecting the drivers if they have the fast-on connections. The Speakons (except the STX) are all screw-terminals.

                            Later,
                            Wolf

                            Yes, I am in the great white north (Canada). It's an awesome place to live, but ordering any consumer items is much more expensive (also thanks to the exchange) than in the US.

                            Okay, so final shopping list:

                            4 of these: https://www.amazon.ca/MonkeyJack-Pie...akon+connector

                            2 of these: https://www.amazon.ca/Pyle-Pro-PPSS1...akon+connector

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                            • #15
                              Another Canuck! There are a few of us here. I have the advantage of my parents living very close to the US border with a little ups drop point only 10 minutes from them so I order stuff and they bring it to me when they are visiting the grandkids! I'm in Calgary, whereabouts are you?

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