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  • Budget metal/rock 3 way

    I'm looking to make a good metal/rock speaker for my brother to replace his dead CV's. I want it to play loud but on a budget, and be an easy load for amplifiers. I also want it to sound good for my more civilized tastes when I'm listening at his house. Let me know what you think of these choices. Any suggestions or sims welcome as I've never done a three way start to finish and I'm no good at the software.
    thanks

    https://www.parts-express.com/peerle...-ohm--264-1460
    cheap, well thought of, should cross wherever needed.

    https://www.parts-express.com/faital...-ohm--294-1141
    cheap, well regarded, nice freq. response, reasonable sensitivity

    https://www.parts-express.com/eminen...river--290-416
    cheap, response looks good in 4 cu ft. tuned to 42hz

  • #2
    For your goals, those are solid choices. I am a big fan of the D25bg06 and 5fe20. Ive used the tweet multiple times and the mid once. That said, fir simplicity in the enclosure, consider the Eminence 6.5" sealed back mid.
    https://www.facebook.com/Mosaic-Audi...7373763888294/

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    • #3
      That Faital Pro driver is so good, it's a shame to pair it with that Eminence. There's also a fairly big sensitivity difference between the two, though I think baffle step will address quite a bit of that.

      If you want the "CV" sound, I think you've gotta go with a low-Q driver though. I suggest considering the PE310 instead, for example. Or maybe even the Dayton DS315, which is less sensitive, but should get a bit lower in a smaller box. What were the sensitivity specs of his CVs?


      Brian Steele
      www.diysubwoofers.org

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      • #4
        I'm not sure what model they were, maybe 93db ish. He uses an old Nad amp and it powered them fine. I'm thinking 89+db and an 8ohm load more or less. My brother is gonna want a little bump in the bass, that's why I thought the sensitivity would work out.

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        • #5
          Maybe Paul Carmody's "Tarkus' - would that fit in with your budget? VIFA DX25 tweeter, Peerless 6" mid and 10" woofer?

          Not sure how they compare with CVs but the only pair of those I've heard were too bright and harsh-sounding for my musical tastes.

          Geoff

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          • #6
            I like the Tarkus but I was hoping for more sensitivity.

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            • #7
              Now my idea of budget would be JR"s GRS 3 way.

              Oh, it has a Dayton tweeter.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by djg View Post
                Now my idea of budget would be JR"s GRS 3 way.

                Oh, it has a Dayton tweeter.
                I don't have to go ultra cheap, he is my brother after all.

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                • #9
                  I've used the 5fe120 and thought it had a nice smooth sound and was pretty straightforward to cross.

                  Paired the da25bg with an mcm 6.5" closeout mid and dayton sd215. To my ears the tweeter sounds pretty darn good and was also straightforward to cross. The mid, and especially the woofer, were another story.
                  http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...khanspires-but
                  http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...pico-neo-build
                  http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...ensation-build

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                  • #10
                    Half my post just disappeared ???
                    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...khanspires-but
                    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...pico-neo-build
                    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...ensation-build

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                    • #11
                      All looks good to me. You could probably cross the woofer near the natural baffle step frequency, then you won't lose any sensitivity on a baffle step network. There should be plenty of bass and a slight reduction in the mid-range usually sounds pretty good for rock music.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brian Steele View Post
                        That Faital Pro driver is so good, it's a shame to pair it with that Eminence. There's also a fairly big sensitivity difference between the two, though I think baffle step will address quite a bit of that.
                        Is there a particular problem with the eminence? Why is it a lower class driver in comparison? Just curious as I'm going to be jumping into the pro woofer pool in a bit.
                        Thanks

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                        • #13
                          The 5fe120 is a very good mid, but I think the sensitivity is going to be an issue. I would look to a pro audio mid with 94 dB sensitivity and 8 ohm impedance for a nice easy load. Those all seem to be 6 or 6.5 inch drivers. Here a couple that look promising.

                          https://www.parts-express.com/faital...-ohm--294-1152


                          https://www.parts-express.com/faital...8-ohm--299-197


                          For a tweeter, you will also want high sensitivity. This Peerless is one I've used in several projects. It's sensitivity is rated at 92.4 dB/1w, but it is a 4 ohm tweeter, so the voltage sensitivity is higher. It can keep up with either of the mids above.

                          https://www.parts-express.com/peerle...eter--264-1028
                          Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.

                          Sehlin Sound Solutions

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dld View Post
                            I don't have to go ultra cheap, he is my brother after all.
                            Oh it may be cheap, but it is far from cheap sounding.

                            That being said, it is a great sounding monkey coffin - the only thing it gives up is sensitivity. It even passed the sniff test at a major DIY event.

                            Anywhoo, if you want cheap and loud, DIY might not be your best bet compared to some of the passive PA monitors out there - definitely not going to happen if you cannot design your own crossover etc.

                            The Rockville brand seems to offer some serious bang for the buck.
                            Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by scottsehlin View Post
                              The 5fe120 is a very good mid, but I think the sensitivity is going to be an issue. I would look to a pro audio mid with 94 dB sensitivity and 8 ohm impedance for a nice easy load. Those all seem to be 6 or 6.5 inch drivers. Here a couple that look promising.

                              https://www.parts-express.com/faital...-ohm--294-1152

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                              Thanks for the advice. This looks one looks pretty good. Guestimating the net woofer sensitivity is one of the things I'm having problems with.

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