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  • #31
    Ok, thanks John. In that case by all means go ahead and use this method. Like I said, errors in timing won't matter here, as it will be incorporated in the delay value that you determine using this method.
    "I just use off the shelf textbook filters designed for a resistor of 8 ohms with
    exactly a Fc 3K for both drivers, anybody can do it." -Xmax

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    • #32
      Waiting on some back ordered crossover parts. As Wolf predicted, my shortening and deepening of the box will need more material than his prototype.

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      • #33
        Oh yeah!! You's gots some mind-warpage going on there! I haven't played that through them yet, but I plan to! What a GREAT album....
        ...and yes it is better than the remaster too. I had no idea anybody else on here had that.

        Later,
        Wolf
        "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
        "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
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        "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

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        • #34
          Haven't listened to it yet, I bought it for the photo op. I saw your Dragon Foals pic.

          Edit: If I start another pair of speakers before I clean the garage, I will suffer some verbal abuse.

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          • #35
            FWIW, I like the Brainchild:Mindwarp version over that of the later CircleOfDust:Brainchild and it's remaster.
            I see it says limited edition to 1000 copies. Care to share the release year from the back? Mine says p&C 1992 R.E.X. MUSIC INC. #7901426810

            I'm wondering if yours is a Retroactive Records version, ca. 2005 release. Nevermind, confirmed as I type:
            https://www.discogs.com/Brainchild-M...elease/5164628

            This is the one I have:
            https://www.discogs.com/Brainchild-M...release/102225

            I also have the original CoD release, but the songs are ever so slightly different and more polished. They dropped the intro to Telltale Crime by Geraldo, and the vocals on track 3 are less desirable:
            https://www.discogs.com/Circle-Of-Du...d/master/18537

            As well as the remaster by the artist himself from a couple years ago.
            https://fixtstore.com/products/circl...-digital-album

            I feel some things are better, some are worse. For SQ, the original Mindwarp takes the cake.

            I hope the SQ is faithful to the original on the reissue you have.

            Enjoy!
            Wolf
            "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
            "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
            "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
            "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

            *InDIYana event website*

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            My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
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            • #36
              ...and if you like it, I would definitely look into getting this one too:
              https://www.discogs.com/Leaderdogs-F...elease/8233369

              The other CoD stuff is different, as every album sounds different. I like them all.

              Sorry for the sidetrack,
              Wolf
              "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
              "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
              "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
              "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

              *InDIYana event website*

              Photobucket pages:
              http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

              My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
              http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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              • #37
                So........

                I bought this off ebay for 8 dollars. I wanted to take a photo like your Dragon Foals pic i saw, when I finished my version of your "Zingers".

                It is digitally remastered, Retroactive records, C 2005. Yes, limited 1000 units.

                I'll give it a listen later today when I'm alone.

                Edit: I'll have to hook up one of my big amps for this CD after I finish my "zinger" derivatives. I don't think the little SMSL will do it justice.
                Last edited by djg; 06-10-2019, 04:44 PM.

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                • #38
                  MPC Zingers - YouTube

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                  • #39
                    Wait until you guys see these at MWAF! They look a LOT better now, and it was extremely fun to do. Need some more polyurethane applied to all but the baffles, and then I'll work on those a smidge.

                    No finished pics until MWAF,
                    Wolf
                    "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                    "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                    "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                    "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                    *InDIYana event website*

                    Photobucket pages:
                    http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                    My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                    • #40
                      Sweet. They weren't ugly before... can't wait for pics.
                      Electronics engineer, woofer enthusiast, and musician.
                      Wogg Music
                      Published projects: PPA100 Bass Guitar Amp, ISO El-Cheapo Sub, Indy 8 2.1 powered sub, MicroSat, SuperNova Minimus

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by dcibel View Post

                        I'm not very familiar with Xsim,so I don't know this "get file mod delay procedure", but with a single channel measurement system I would complete the 3-measurement process that has been put forth by Jeff B and others to determine the acoustic offset.
                        This is why I use HolmImpulse and its " time lock" feature. Offsets are included in your measurements. No waste of time and effort adding tails, taking 3 measurements etc.

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                        • #42
                          This is an outstanding build Wolf. It never ceases to amaze me what someone who knows what they are doing can do with minimalist design. I look forward to hearing them.
                          BSME
                          Kannapolis NC

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                          • #43
                            Tweeters on sale, cheap.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Harvylogan View Post
                              This is an outstanding build Wolf. It never ceases to amaze me what someone who knows what they are doing can do with minimalist design. I look forward to hearing them.
                              Thanks, Harvy! You coming to MWAF?

                              djg- Wow! The tweeters are near 2 for 1 pricing at $13.29 here at PE. $26.34 is regular price! All 4 drivers for this project currently cost $85.88 plus tax and shipping.

                              Just doing up a simple BOM for the current cost using Q4 caps, the Jantzen 15AWG for woofer and Dayton 20AWG for tweeter, yields xover cost of $100.48.

                              You can actually order all the parts for these, and not even break $200 for the pair. That is drivers and xover parts, coming to $186.36, and you still have enough left over for purchasing terminals and wire to round out the $200, excluding tax and shipping.

                              2x of everything:
                              295-484 SD215A-88 Dayton
                              264-1460 DA25BG08-06 Peerless
                              257-030 0.35mH/20AWG Dayton
                              255-432 2.2mH/15AWG Jantzen
                              027-116 6.8uF Q4 Audyn
                              016-8.2 8.2 ohm/10W Xicon
                              255-957 33 ohm/10W Jantzen
                              027-120 22uF Q4 Audyn

                              That is very affordable!
                              Wolf
                              "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                              "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                              "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                              "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                              *InDIYana event website*

                              Photobucket pages:
                              http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                              My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                              http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Wolf View Post

                                Thanks, Harvy! You coming to MWAF?
                                Yep.

                                BSME
                                Kannapolis NC

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