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  • #61
    ...and despite what you may have heard, Z didn't like his "magic exists" position challenged. Same reason he has flipped out here in the past. Some things never change.

    If you want to join this so-called magic kingdom (we've never claimed it to be, our only rules are no politics, no religion, and don't be a d**k), I'll shoot an invite your way.

    Also, commercial posts have their own space. They can shill there, I guess.
    Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by mzisserson View Post
      I will never understand why people spend so much time "disproving" and "debunking" this hot garbage in a dumpster fire.

      Imagine the progress that can be made in terms of musical enjoyment if people focused on enjoying the music, and coming to their own conclusions on what matters and what does not based upon their own research into what may be right for them?

      I have heard many systems that are designed with some serious belief in pure voodoo that sound excellent. Who am I to judge? Even if they let me completely re-design their system from source to speaker from what I thought was good....Would it truly be "better" or just a same but different?

      The further DACs advance the less SSD vs. Spinning disc becomes an issue.So was it the discs all along? Likely not... Newell and Holland have published several papers on the specta distortion that occurs when complex waveforms are sent through cables as related to the property of the cables. No one seems to ever cite those because it makes it hard to argue. $5,000 cables are not the answer for sure, however. Want a SPDIF to live with for the rest of your life? Go to Guitarded Center and spend $10 on a HOSA 1m SPDIF cable. I told a dandy once it was a $1,000 digital cable and put it in his very expensive system. He thought it was more enjoyable over his $2,000 Nordost thingy. When he found out what it was, it was funny to watch his mind unravel and he suddenly heard how "bad" the HOSA was. Good connectors, good quality materials, good construction of it all, and shelidling are about all it takes to keep small signals in check. That does not cost much.

      I think people who are legitimately interested in high end audio as a hobby and a channel to enjoy the music have more at their disposal than ever. This is not the 90's anymore. Brilliant Pebbles, and cable lifters no longer entice since a quick google search will give any N00B the right information about such things.

      It is more of the same, over and over. Haters are going to hate, and with the complexity and variables involved in just about every aspect of the audio chain, it is easy to fall victim to the Sharpshooter Fallacy: Clustering information to support an inherent belief and drawing the target around it. While there is a lot of phooey out there...Poppycock and even tomfoolery, there if a lot of good, too. Many companies pushing the bar forward like Vivid has in driver design, and Bricasti has in clock precision and DAC filtering, especially on the DSD side of things.These projects are expensive. It shows in their products, but like anything else, it will eventually become the norm. Is the cost of the incremental improvement worth it? Perhaps to us it is not, but can companies like Vivid and Bricasti afford to absorb the R&D cost over the years it takes to yield this result because Joe Youtuber thinks it should be cheap? No. Just the programming and software development alone for Bricasti's M1 was over $250,000, and that was 10+ years ago. Making a small change to release a more affordable product like their M3 still brings heavy prototype and R&D costs.That all ends up in the pricetag.

      We cannot forget to give credit where credit is due, too. More importantly we cannot forget to enjoy the music. That's the end result, no? In recent years I have come to realize a big part of getting the most enjoyment from this hobby is keeping an open mind, but not so wide open your brain falls out. Buyer beware, question everything, but if along the way you happen across something you love...Love it regardless of what every one else thinks if it brings enjoyment to your listening experience.

      Happy listening fellas.
      Did you really spend all that time writing that just to tell us we think too much about it? The irony drips...
      Francis

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      • #63
        Lmfao!
        Kenny

        http://www.diy-ny.com/
        DIY NY/NJ 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGwA...ature=youtu.be
        Man does not live by measurements alone, a little music helps.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by johnnyrichards View Post
          Mike is not alone, many others still defend those charlatans.
          Want to become an audiophile? Cut a small hole in your pants pocket, just large enough for a marble to slip through. Fill that pocket with marbles. Go for a walk. One by one the marbles will fall though the hole. When you've lost all your marbles, congratulations! You are now an audiophile!
          www.billfitzmaurice.com
          www.billfitzmaurice.info/forum

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          • #65
            Originally posted by kenny_k View Post
            Lmfao!
            If that made you " lmfao" you need to get out more.
            craigk

            " Voicing is often the term used for band aids to cover for initial design/planning errors " - Pallas

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            • #66
              Originally posted by billfitzmaurice View Post

              Want to become an audiophile? Cut a small hole in your pants pocket, just large enough for a marble to slip through. Fill that pocket with marbles. Go for a walk. One by one the marbles will fall though the hole. When you've lost all your marbles, congratulations! You are now an audiophile!
              I have listened to a few of your designs, we can agree, you are not an audiophile.
              Last edited by craigk; 09-11-2019, 12:02 PM.
              craigk

              " Voicing is often the term used for band aids to cover for initial design/planning errors " - Pallas

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              • #67
                I think speakers need guns.
                http://www.diy-ny.com/

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                • #68
                  Yay - an internet fight! Now I have to keep checking back to see if this escalates, or if the thread gets locked.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by r-carpenter View Post
                    I think speakers need guns.
                    I don't get that, but how's this?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by djg View Post
                      I don't get that, but how's this?
                      Is that a DerrZinger?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by craigk View Post

                        If that made you " lmfao" you need to get out more.
                        Craig, you don't find the "Audiophile HSN" laughable.
                        Kenny

                        http://www.diy-ny.com/
                        DIY NY/NJ 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGwA...ature=youtu.be
                        Man does not live by measurements alone, a little music helps.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by kenny_k View Post

                          Craig, you don't find the "Audiophile HSN" laughable.
                          Truthfully, I am so sick of beat to death post like this. I don't finf them anything but disgusting. No persons mind is ever changed. I kind of like the idea of enjoy what you have. If you enjoy low, mid or hifi, fine with me. If you think lamp cords are good for speaker cable, or want to spend $ 10 K on them, fine with me. I am tired of how it appears some people get off when telling others how stupid they are for spending money on anything they don't spprove of. Is this reslly the purpose of this forum.
                          craigk

                          " Voicing is often the term used for band aids to cover for initial design/planning errors " - Pallas

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                          • #73
                            Craig,
                            Kenny

                            http://www.diy-ny.com/
                            DIY NY/NJ 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGwA...ature=youtu.be
                            Man does not live by measurements alone, a little music helps.

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                            • #74
                              I don't really care what people believe in or buy, as long as I don't have to pay for it. But I like these threads because people link to some hilarious stuff.
                              Francis

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by fpitas View Post
                                I don't really care what people believe in or buy, as long as I don't have to pay for it.
                                Exactly. My crazy speaker project that has dragged for some time surely has some scratchin' their heads. Who cares? It's only my money. I'm not holding anyone responsible if it is a complete and total, utter failure in the end. But it won't be.

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