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  • devnull
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    Just to chime in, hopefully not too late I got to take a vacation, put a voltage divider in the TV in place of the speakers and drive the amp with that. A couple of 1/2 watt resistors of 430 and 3.9 kohms should do the job.

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  • silverD
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    This thread has been an interesting read on suggestions for getting improved audio when watching TV. I agree that it is too bad that manufacturers have moved away from providing variable analog audio out on their TVs. The multi-channel craze has made this unimportant to them. Having a means of getting that L-R audio out doesn't always equate to an enjoyable listening experience in my opinion. As a middle school tech and de facto tech support for the family, there have been several situations where a multi-track encoded source, such as a DVD on a computer in a classroom, was being played and the dialog was very hard to hear over the background effects/music/etc on the stereo speakers. I know that this one example is unique, but the other situations I could describe are unique as well because different media/hardware is involved...and that's my point. I'm sure there are settings on the TV/DVD player/computer software to sample the audio differently so the dialog would be improved, but here we are using remotes or navigating menus which can be annoying. There are differing opinions how many speakers are needed and how they are tuned/setup. Whether you have a 2 channel setup or AVR at home, I think we all can agree on the importance of dialog levels and find it easy to identify if they are not correct. I have a Yamaha AVR at home which I bought a few years back to replace another Yamaha which was in great working order. The reason I made the switch was for convenience; the new AVR had built in HDMI switching with HDMI-CEC, internet connectivity for streaming audio, multi-zone audio, and app to control it via phone/etc. My family didn't understand why the new receiver was needed if it was going to spit out the same 5.1 channels. The new one is 7.1, but I don't feel the need to add 2 more speakers...but again I haven't tried it. Well, the setup was very easy with the included microphone (the old one didn't have this feature). It provided a good baseline and I only did some minimal tweaking. Don't get wrong, you could spend endless time tinkering. After its initial hardware and software setup, I haven't made a change in years. I leave it set on the default decoding (no added effects) and it recognizes the input encoding from the source and adjusts the channels used on it's own. Whether dialog is coming out L-R or L-C-R it's at the level intended by the source. I have DVR computer (essentially a cable box DVR) and a chromecast connected as inputs. The following features are what sold the family. If I turn on the TV (using any remote or TV button itself), the AVR sees this and turns itself on. If I cast to the chromecast, the TV and AVR turn on and it switches to the chromecast input. This was a big plus for the family. If I turn off the TV (or the timer turns it off), the AVR turns off. This is the HDMI-CEC in action. The ability to switch inputs or play streaming music on the second zone (wired speakers and via analog out to other rooms in the house) was another big plus for the family. This all goes back to convenience for me, tech support seems endless in my life and the AVR provides my family with an easy way to consume media (with good dialog) without asking me for help. Once you get past the initial setup, the features are great and convenient. On the other hand, my family doesn't bother turning on and using my pi based DACs, preamp, or amps to listen to music....

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  • marvin
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    Originally posted by billfitzmaurice View Post
    I won't watch TV without my surround system running, it's that good. I do remember once upon a time having to turn the TV and AVR on separately, but that was many moons ago. The universal remote that came with my combination cable box/DVR turns the cable box, TV and AVR on or off in sequence, so it's a one button push and done. It controls the cable box channel searching and changing, recording and playback, AVR volume, and the functions of my smart TV, including navigating to the Amazon Prime app. The dedicated remotes for my TV and AVR just collect dust.
    Bill,

    I wish mine was that good! The sound is disappointing via my fiber optic TV output to Emotiva UMC-1 pre-pro using DD 5.1 on broadcast TV. The speech is not as clear as it should be. Yet, when I stream 2 channel PBS or you-tube videos via an HDMI input, the overall audio quality is what I would expect. Blu-ray movies over HDMI are also fine.

    Any ideas what is wrong?

    Marv

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  • Millstonemike
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    Some suggestions ....

    (1) As stated by other members here, there are modules that will take a TV's digital out and convert to 2-channel analog.
    (2) Being in the same situation (no analog out, no room for AVR in office), went inside the TV and took it's internal amp outputs out to 3.5mm jack. Driving some full range speakers from that output
    (3) Many cable service boxes have analog out, and, the ability to set the box so the remote's volume buttons control the volume from inside the box to it's analog out. It's pretty simple to set the external amp volume at a fixed setting that will work well with the box's variable, quasi line level, analog output.

    The last suggestion would be my preference if I had an external amp to drive the speakers.

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  • rpb
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    I took a quick look at Best Buy, and they have several, or more, tvs with analog out. The Insignia, and Sharp 50" both list it in the specs. I know that in the past, many smaller sets I looked at for friends also had headphone jacks that work. My sister's setup uses a direct connection from the tv to an integrated amp. It's a 40" Insignia that was purchased a few months ago. Volume change is made by the remote, or at the amp.

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  • rpb
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    Originally posted by dwigle View Post
    The lack of variable analog outputs on new TVs has really irritated me as well. I have a great surround sound system but don't want to fire up a processor and 3 amps every time I want to watch the news. And I don't want the complexity of an integrated remote - costly and in my experience, needs reprogramming every other month. It seems it would cost a manufacturer $5 to add the outputs, and I would be willing to pay $50-100 extra.

    I did find a cable box a few years ago that had analog RCA outputs that could be configured to fixed or variable. That worked great until I moved and had to change cable providers and the box.

    I did see a post on another site that showed the step by step procedure of tapping into the speaker circuit of the tv and creating a variable line level output to connect to an amp. Required removing the back of the tv and likely voiding the warranty. Any other ideas? I just want to turn on the tv with one click, have decent sound and one remote. We put a man on the moon 50 years ago but can't solve this?
    I took a quick look at Best Buy, and they have several, or more, tvs with analog out. The Insignia, and Sharp 50" both list it in the specs. I know that in the past, many smaller sets I looked at for friends also had headphone jacks that work. My sister's setup uses a direct connection from the tv to an integrated amp. It's a 40" Insignia that was purchased a few months ago. Volume change is made by the TV remote, or at the amp.

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  • Wolf
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    As to the reprogramming possibility or presupposition, I have only had to reprogram my Harmony remote if I wanted to change the program. Oh- but they do eat batteries. I've invested in rechargeables for pretty much everything, so that is of a lesser concern.

    Later,
    Wolf

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  • billfitzmaurice
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    I won't watch TV without my surround system running, it's that good. I do remember once upon a time having to turn the TV and AVR on separately, but that was many moons ago. The universal remote that came with my combination cable box/DVR turns the cable box, TV and AVR on or off in sequence, so it's a one button push and done. It controls the cable box channel searching and changing, recording and playback, AVR volume, and the functions of my smart TV, including navigating to the Amazon Prime app. The dedicated remotes for my TV and AVR just collect dust.

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  • dwigle
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    The lack of variable analog outputs on new TVs has really irritated me as well. I have a great surround sound system but don't want to fire up a processor and 3 amps every time I want to watch the news. And I don't want the complexity of an integrated remote - costly and in my experience, needs reprogramming every other month. It seems it would cost a manufacturer $5 to add the outputs, and I would be willing to pay $50-100 extra.

    I did find a cable box a few years ago that had analog RCA outputs that could be configured to fixed or variable. That worked great until I moved and had to change cable providers and the box.

    I did see a post on another site that showed the step by step procedure of tapping into the speaker circuit of the tv and creating a variable line level output to connect to an amp. Required removing the back of the tv and likely voiding the warranty. Any other ideas? I just want to turn on the tv with one click, have decent sound and one remote. We put a man on the moon 50 years ago but can't solve this?

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  • Liberator of Magic Smoke
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    Right now, I'm using a 3.1 system with my TV, mostly because I have a really nice set of LCR speakers and a sub I like. The TV room is small, so even though my high-zoot AVR is capable of 7.2 or a dozen other configurations, the current setup suits me fine. I've screwed around with all sorts of surround sound schemes from back in the Pro Logic days, and finally decided it's just too many gimmicks for me. I don't give a rat's patoot if some movie is mixed so the helicopter flies over my head from front left to right rear. I do very much want to hear dialog clearly. Yes a carefully tuned surround system can sound great, but so can an excellent pair of stereo speakers. I haven't heard TV speakers that sounded as good as a $50 boom box, so I would certainly dig out my old stereo receiver and use that before ever putting up with the tiny tinny ones in the idjit box.

    All those blasted menus on the AVR, the TV, the BluRay player, & etc. that have different functions for various buttons and different behavior on screen from one to the next are endlessly annoying. Since I hate the Netflix TV interface, and can tolerate the one on the PC, I bought a new computer and hooked it up to the system just so I can navigate with a mouse. It's pretty sad when the addition of Windows 10 makes things work better!

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  • Jim Holtz
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    Originally posted by zomby woof View Post
    I didn't, that's why I posted here. Would you mind posting a link?

    Worst case, can anybody recommend a simple surround receiver, or integrated amp?
    Sorry, PE doesn't allow links to competitors posted in the forum. If you can't find it on PE, check Amazon and you'll find several.

    Jim

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  • Wolf
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    OP- you could always get a Logitech Harmony remote and program the macro to turn on and off what is required for each activity. That's what I did, or my wife wouldn't know what to do either. Do not throw the other remotes away though. The TV remote for example contains the coding for repairs and such as well, and it's important in the case of something like that.

    Later,
    Wolf

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  • zomby woof
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    I didn't, that's why I posted here. Would you mind posting a link?

    Worst case, can anybody recommend a simple surround receiver, or integrated amp?

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  • Jim Holtz
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    Originally posted by zomby woof View Post
    I watch very little TV, but recently upgraded to a new one and it does not have analog outputs like my previous one did. I assume this is common, and I'm out of touch, but is there a way to connect an analog two channel amp (I neither need nor want surround) without losing audio level control from the TV/remote? I can connect with an optical output adapter but lose volume control to the power amp.

    Any ideas or am I destined to own a surround receiver?
    I did a quick search for what you're looking for on Google and found a number of them that will do what you want. I suspect, but didn't look, that PE also has it available.


    HTH

    Jim

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  • billfitzmaurice
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    Originally posted by zomby woof View Post
    As for why I don't want a surround receiver, there are a few reasons. I've not been crazy about the ones I've heard, I listen to music on the same setup, and the main one is that it would add unnecessary complexity that, in my opinion, and situation, doesn't warrant it.
    I agree on that. IMO a system sounds best when it replicates how the media was mixed. Surround for TV sounds much better than stereo, because TV and movies are mixed in surround, even the news and the weather. If the material is old enough to have been mixed in mono it still sounds better on a surround system because of the center channel. You don't need to scroll though this that and the other format choice, put the receiver in automatic mode and forget about it. However, music is mixed in stereo, at least the music that I listen to. It doesn't sound right in surround. No problem, the AVR remote should have a button to choose between surround and stereo. If you mainly listen to music make sure any AVR you're considering has that feature.

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