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    I am looking for some clean recordings that are very demanding on a system. Does anyone have any great drumt racks for this purpose? I would prefer if the drums were not over-produced.

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    Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

    I have a couple disks with drums that really test a system. One is a Chesky demo/sampler disk that has drum clips from both dry studio and live studio recordings made from various distances.

    http://www.chesky.com/core/details.c...ctcategoryid=1

    (Note: Ordering directly from Chesky is a test of one's patience - VERY slow delivery times.)

    The other is a track from the Blazing Redheads (Reference Recordings) that will clip my pair of bridged Bryston 2Bs and dim the lights in my room on some of the hits. There are two published disks of their music, and I'm unsure about which disk contains that challenging track.

    http://www.referencerecordings.com/jazz.asp#rr26 (Scroll to the bottom).

    It sounds like the drummer is in the room on both the Chesky and the Reference disks.
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      The Grateful Dead - "Infared Roses".

      A compilation of live Dead, but only the Drums and Space segments of their sets.

      The second track, "paralellogram" is waaaay dynamic. Very clean, w/ some really low loud stuff at the end.

      The spacey stuff is fantastic to. Lots of MIDI. Recordings are off the soundboard, DAT I think.

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        Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

        Originally posted by brianpowers27 View Post
        I am looking for some clean recordings that are very demanding on a system. Does anyone have any great drumt racks for this purpose? I would prefer if the drums were not over-produced.

        "Money for Nothing" Dire Straits
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          Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

          Originally posted by brianpowers27 View Post
          I am looking for some clean recordings that are very demanding on a system. Does anyone have any great drumt racks for this purpose? I would prefer if the drums were not over-produced.
          There are sooooooo many!

          Everything by one of these guys:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8

          Add to that:

          Harvey Mason on the Fourplay recordings

          Terry Bozzio - Drummer for "Missing Persons" & "Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop" are good ones.

          Richie Hayward on all of Little Feat's recordings.

          My favorite 'test the system' recording is "Innovators: Sam Cardo & Kurt Bestor". Terriffic recordings of many instruments and voice with some of the best drum and piano tracks going. Anything on this page is very, very good, too.

          http://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Sam.../dp/B00004HYNO

          Enjoy.

          Dave

          EDIT:

          I forgot: for good synth drums - Futureman on any Bela Fleck and the Flecktones recordings.

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          Last edited by dbe; 02-09-2009, 05:35 PM.
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            The Sheffield Drum Record, Sheffield Labs

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              Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

              Originally posted by brianpowers27 View Post
              I am looking for some clean recordings that are very demanding on a system. Does anyone have any great drumt racks for this purpose? I would prefer if the drums were not over-produced.
              I would recommend the track by Peter Gabriel with the 10 drum sets going simultaneously, or so I remember. I don't know the name or album.

              Blue Man Group is also good.

              The Sheffield cut is alright, and it's clean, but it's just drums and kinda boring. It's short, and they used it at Dayton last summer.

              Reference Recordings and Chesky have a good rep for sound quality, and I haven't heard the tracks William recommended.

              "Money for Nothing" is a good one (and I also considered it).

              I would back what Dave recommends here, but I don't care for most of the Flecktones' stuff.

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                I won't say it is accurate, but it is interesting, and sounds pretty realistic played loud - try the intro to Emerson Lake and Palmer's "The Sheriff".

                You could try Rush: YYZ, for a drum oriented song that is fairly well recorded.

                Flim and The BB's: Thunder and Birdies, from Tricycle

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                • #9
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                  [QUOTE=Wolf;I would back what Dave recommends here, but I don't care for most of the Flecktones' stuff.[/QUOTE]

                  The Flecktones are definitely an acquired taste. Victor and Ray "Futureman" Wooten are monster players though. Victor Wooten's bass skills are a good test for LF articulation, extreme range and girth. Bela's a great player, but prog jazz banjo is a wee bit odd to say the least.



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                    Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

                    Originally posted by cooper View Post
                    The Grateful Dead - "Infared Roses".

                    A compilation of live Dead, but only the Drums and Space segments of their sets.

                    The second track, "paralellogram" is waaaay dynamic. Very clean, w/ some really low loud stuff at the end.

                    The spacey stuff is fantastic to. Lots of MIDI. Recordings are off the soundboard, DAT I think.
                    A few others from the extended GD family:

                    Dafos -- by Mickey Hart, Airto Moriera and Flora Purim. One of those perennial audiophile test discs, with huge dynamics and room-rumbling bass.

                    Rhythm Devils Play River Music (Apocalypse Now Sessions). Subtle and loud percussion intermixed, creating some creepy and sinister atmospheres. Good punchy live-in-studio recording.

                    Mickey Hart -- Planet Drum, and At the Edge. Both pretty eclectic in musical styles and variety of instruments used.

                    Diga Rhythm Band. Not as crisp a recording as some of the others, but great playing. This is what happens when you get a bunch of drummers (and marimbists) from widely different cultures together and let them jam on a groove. JG sits in on one tune that later metamorphosed into Fire on the Mountain.

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                    • #11
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                      Don't kid yourself that drums don't need processing. Unless your listening room is larger than 30x40 feet, a real drum set in there is going to sound awful. They're just too loud to sound good on their own (that is, unless the room is big enough where the SPL can drop a bit and the sound has a chance to "blend" in the room). Close mic'ing and gating is pretty much a given on almost all drum recordings, unless it's some "quiet" recording session.

                      That said, people here have certainly listen some albums that show off some "kick a**" drum sounds. I'd add a few albums to the list:
                      King Crimson - Thrak (Bill Bruford and Pat Mastelotto play a lot of "interlocking" parts, and their drums are tuned to sound very open and resonant)
                      Tool - Lateralus (Danny Carey's drum sound on that album is very "no nonsense." It's not drowning in effects, it's not even very compressed. He provides most of the dynamics himself)

                      And yeah, the Dave Weckl and Steve Gadd fusion stuff is definitely mixed to bring the drums to the forefront--and their drum kits do sound very niiice. If you've never heard a Simon Philips album, I'd suggest that, too. Terry Bozzio's drums are often ANYTHING BUT natural-sounding. The cymbals are all stacks of trashy things, and the toms are only barely "tonal," and really sound more like cardboard boxes. (But yes, that's one hell of a drum set)

                      It's funny, when I actually want to test for "realistic" drums when voicing speakers, one of my favorites CDs John Scofield's A Go Go. The drums are really very simple; it's Billy Martin of Medeski, Martin & Wood. The drums are recorded and mixed in such a way that they truly do mimic a real jazz drum set sitting in front of you in the room.

                      I also have some weirder stuff in mind for drum recordings (stuff no one else would have). Maybe I'll have to post some of those recordings soon.
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                        Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

                        Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
                        Don't kid yourself that drums don't need processing. Unless your listening room is larger than 30x40 feet, a real drum set in there is going to sound awful. They're just too loud to sound good on their own (that is, unless the room is big enough where the SPL can drop a bit and the sound has a chance to "blend" in the room). Close mic'ing and gating is pretty much a given on almost all drum recordings, unless it's some "quiet" recording session.
                        I just have a particular disdain for heavily gated long hall verbed drums, that's all.

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                        • #13
                          I have to second Lateralus

                          That's one of the first discs put on when I'm trying out a new design. As Paul said, very no-nonsense and Danny lays down some of the best lines I've heard. I'll also put my 2 bits in on Money For Nothing. It will shake the house through the right speakers. I'll play it through smaller speakers only if my hand is at the ready to reduce volume if the speaker winces. Just be sure to use the re-issue of Brothers In Arms.

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                            Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

                            Originally posted by williamrschneider View Post
                            The other is a track from the Blazing Redheads (Reference Recordings)....
                            Interesting. We manufacture the RR discs where I work. I'll dig through the catalog and head over to pre-mastering for a listen if things slow down any. Not holding my breath on that last part but at least we're pretty busy. Working at a CD plant has it's benefits. I can take a listen to stuff in the catalog for a preview. Then it's over to Amazon to fill up the shopping cart with any nuggets I might have found.

                            shawn
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                              Re: Best (reference quality) drum tracks

                              If you've never heard a Simon Philips album, I'd suggest that, too.

                              *****

                              His drum sound on Pete Townshends "WHITE CITY" is great along with him on Mike Oldfield's recordings.

                              Bozzio's gated drum sounds I like for the noise gate closure. Some speakers don't do that cutoff very gracefully. His cymbals are pie pans in a lot of recordings, for sure.

                              +1 on Hart's Planet drum. The Beasts' fundamental is ~ 15 Hz.

                              Dave
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