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  • Cerberus Subwoofer Build

    After deciding to build a small subwoofer for my home office, I looked around for a respected design. Noticing the popularity of Roman Bednarek's Cerberus, I decided to go with his design. The sub will be used for music, both in my office and my RV, and probably as a computer sound system.

    The Cerberus uses the TangBand W6-1139, a very popular driver as evidenced by the number of builds, and the rather dramatic increase in price. The 11" X 11" X11" enclosure is constructed of 3/4" MDF.

    I opted to go with the larger port size, primarily based on advice given on this forum. Roman's original design specifies a 1-1/2" X 4" flared port (PE part number 260-402), a size arrived at for practical reasons, i.e., the limited space within the confines of a small enclosure such as this one. As Roman mentions on his website page, the 1-1/2" port can produce audible chuffing, but only when used at very high volume levels. Several recent builds have used a 2" port, 17" long -- the port I elected to use.

    As is my habit, I first drew the enclosure, driver, port, and amp, to scale using a CAD program. I take a few liberties that would make my old mechanical drafting teacher shudder, forgoing a maze of dotted lines for the sake of clarity. Here's a bitmapped image of the drawing:



    The drawing shows the rabbeted joints I will use. I decided to use this technique after reading an early post in what has to be a record length string for the Nano Neos, and NTN's. Chris Roemer commented that he used a rabbeting technique, and having tried several joint types all having their own disadvantages, I decided to give it a try. I'll be back later to continue with this string. I'm going to make some sawdust...
    Last edited by Soundslike; 04-22-2011, 06:36 PM. Reason: Corrected spelling
    Tritrix HT:http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222519
    Dayton 12" Subwoofer: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222930
    Overnight Sensations: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=223751
    Cerberus sub: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...hlight=cerebus
    Duellatis: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=224943
    NTN's: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=227902

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    Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

    Ron, I just now went back into that thread, to see which rabbet joint you were referring to, and I do remember liking the looks of that particular rabbet joint when I saw those photos the first time. Looks like it would make for easier cab assembly, as well as a good strong glue joint. Looking forward to see how yours turn out

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    • #3
      Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

      I have to state this since you did all the design graphics, that the design is called the "Cerberus", not Cerebus.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus

      Just thought you should know.
      Later,
      Wolf
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      • #4
        Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

        I guess I could claim that I did that intentionally because I put the bigger port in this one, but uh, I doubt that would float. Thanks for letting me know before I got too far into this. I'll be making a few corrections...
        Tritrix HT:http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222519
        Dayton 12" Subwoofer: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222930
        Overnight Sensations: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=223751
        Cerberus sub: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...hlight=cerebus
        Duellatis: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=224943
        NTN's: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=227902

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        • #5
          Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

          Nice drawings. Here's a bootleg photo of mine, you wanted to see how I routed it. Notice I only did the two top corners, all the rest are 90's. This is to match the ONS. This is down firing so no visable speaker, I like that. There will be 1.5" dia x 1/2" high rubber feet added to the corners.

          I chose to go with mitered joints vs. rabbits like I did on the ONS. tough call. Miters are nasty to cut on the table saw as you have so much blade exposed and it wants to pull the work from the fence. You really have to think about you cuts and setup as well so you can avoid running a mitered edge along the fence. Gluing it together isn't too much fun but with some decent corner clamps wouldn't be too bad. I had the advantage of the bottom being dado'ed in to add support while fitting up. On the plus, the part line is right in the middle of the 90's and either method will have a part line on the round over's. So building it is worse with miters but it's better for finishing.


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          Last edited by Mikers; 04-25-2011, 08:59 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

            Ron I cant wait to see this thing going, Cad pix look great to. Have you decided on a finish yet? Paint, Veneer? I know you were taling about this build in another thread and Ive been waiting to see this one take off. Have you made your first cuts yet? R.K.

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            • #7
              Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

              I managed to correct the spelling where Cerberus was misspelled in the narrative, but I may have to live with the title. I also corrected the name on the drawing, but so far, the old uncorrected drawing is still showing on this thread. Probably would load the corrected drawing if I were to reboot.

              Roman, if you happen to read this, I apologize for the spelling error...

              Ron, I just now went back into that thread, to see which rabbet joint you were referring to, and I do remember liking the looks of that particular rabbet joint when I saw those photos the first time. Looks like it would make for easier cab assembly, as well as a good strong glue joint.
              So far, I like the rabbeted joint. It's going to be stronger than a plain b--t joint, and it does help with aligning the panels during assembly. Mitered joints are really difficult to handle -- glue makes things slippery, and as Mikers points out, it complicates the cutting process too. I haven't gotten to the finishing process just yet, but I don't expect to have any problem concealing the glue line. Assembling the box is more confusing than you might expect though. It's a little like a puzzle -- you know it all fits together but get one piece in the wrong place, or turned the wrong way and you'll think you've cut it wrong. Here's another view that show more detail of how the joints are cut -- I should say how I cut them. In this front view, the brown pieces are the top and bottom and the green pieces are sides. The joint looks more complicated than it needs to be -- if rabbets were only cut in the side pieces. But it's actually simpler, if you're using a table saw to cut the rabbets because you only have to set the saw once at 3/8" for the depth of cut, and 3/8" for the width of the cut. All edges of all pieces are rabbeted, and all are cut with the same setting.

              The red dotted line shows the length of that particular segment of the port (one of three segments).

              I'll add more in the morning...

              Last edited by Soundslike; 04-23-2011, 09:44 AM.
              Tritrix HT:http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222519
              Dayton 12" Subwoofer: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222930
              Overnight Sensations: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=223751
              Cerberus sub: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...hlight=cerebus
              Duellatis: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=224943
              NTN's: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=227902

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              • #8
                Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                Did you leave your edges longer so you can trim them down with a flush bit after assembly?

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                • #9
                  Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                  Have you decided on a finish yet? Paint, Veneer? I know you were taling about this build in another thread and Ive been waiting to see this one take off. Have you made your first cuts yet? R.K.
                  Hi Randall -- I've got the sub assembled, with no decision yet on the finish. It sounds great -- really compliments the Overnight Sensations well. Ultimately, a sub ends up out of sight, so I don't know how much benefit I'd get from veneer. I like the look of Mikers' Cerberus build, with the base he used to get the stand-off distance he needed, so I'm thinking of adding a base to mine for cosmetics.

                  Mikers -- I didn't leave any "overhang" on the panels, but ended up with perhaps a 1/32nd inch oversize in places anyway (which I did trim with a flush-bit). Trimming with a flush-trim bit is probably a better option to use with the standard b**t joint, but it does complicate things a little if the rabbeted joint is used. I very carefully set the saw cutting height at 3/8" and the fence at 3/8" which allowed me to make two identical cuts in each edge without resetting the saw. I'm sure many will prefer to cut the rabbets with a router -- that should produce a more precise fit providing one has the necessary guides or a router table. I've got a shaper I might use on a future build, but I'll probably have to buy a cutter if I do. I can use router bits with the shaper, but the spindle speed is quite a bit slower.
                  Tritrix HT:http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222519
                  Dayton 12" Subwoofer: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222930
                  Overnight Sensations: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=223751
                  Cerberus sub: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...hlight=cerebus
                  Duellatis: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=224943
                  NTN's: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=227902

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                    If you look at my ONS build I left 1/8", it requires planning. I cut my rabbits with a dado blade. If you have a plywood strip on your saw fence you can over size the dado setting then adjust the fence for you dado width. I like to design for easy (sloppy?) set ups that can be corrected at the end. Well sort of. In this case the inside dimensions have to be dead on, just the overall dado can vary, that's why you trim it.
                    Last edited by Mikers; 04-23-2011, 02:29 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                      This next photo shows the assembled box. I strongly recommend dry fitting the panels together beforehand, and marking them so you can more easily see which joints go together. Then lay the panels in logical order around the piece you'll start with. Also, think about which surfaces will need glue and mark them so you'll know where to spread the glue. There are three surfaces to apply glue to, on each edge -- note that the side panels are different because they fit inside the other panels..

                      The baffle covers the entire width and height, as does the back panel, an arrangement that puts the part lines on the top and sides.



                      Referring back to the drawing in the first post, you'll note that I used the drafting program to determine the port segment lengths, and locations. Working inside the confines of this small box, with such a large and long port, made it necessary to utilize at least two elbows. Although I can't recall the source, I've read that a sufficiently accurate method of determining the distance through an elbow is to simply measure from where the two imaginary centerlines intersect within it. But, being a persistent skeptic, I decided to do a little cipher'in.



                      A close examination showed that a PVC elbow isn't necessarily perfectly formed, but I came up with the measurements you see on the masking tape. From the tattered appearance you'll probably surmise that I handled it quite a bit flipping it around, measuring and remeasuring. The total straight line distance is 2-9/16" + 2-9/16", or 5-1/8". I also measured the length of a 45 degree path, which you see marked on the tape. This bit of simple measuring convinced me that the straight line method is not accurate. Perhaps it's accurate enough, but knowing that an inaccuracy is introduced with every elbow, was enough to convince me that I should limit the layout to two elbows. I originally considered a different route that would have placed the interior port terminus further from the driver, but rejected it because a third elbow would have been required.

                      Rounding over the port terminus on the baffle, adds another variable. For the first horizontal segment, I started my measurement in the middle of the baffle, i.e., 3/8" in.

                      For those who might be interested, I've since calculated the actual distance, using a different method. According to my calculations, the actual length of the path through a 2" elbow is closer to 4.57", as opposed to 5.125". Either calculation, by the way, depends on accurately cut pipe lengths and full insertion into the elbow.

                      Probably what really matters regarding port length calculations, at least at a theoretical level, is the volume that results from whatever dimensions are used. Even though there is a potentially significant difference between the two methods of calculating elbow length, whatever affect that has on volume could be altered one way or another if the interior dimensions vary through the arc. I'm sure this question has been adequately covered a number of times elsewhere -- if anyone has a link, that would be welcomed...

                      This last photo shows the port after assembly. I rounded over the edges on the elbows and inside the opening, because it seemed like the thing to do.;) I'm holding the port where it will be inserted through the baffle. I'll be sure to report the acoustical benefits of the paint job.:rolleyes:

                      Last edited by Soundslike; 06-03-2011, 11:25 AM.
                      Tritrix HT:http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222519
                      Dayton 12" Subwoofer: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222930
                      Overnight Sensations: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=223751
                      Cerberus sub: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...hlight=cerebus
                      Duellatis: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=224943
                      NTN's: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=227902

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                        The rabbets look great, Ron.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                          I made some ONSs and a Cerberus sub for my girlfriend's nephew. He keeps asking for more bass. Your build is very nice.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                            Ron, what did you spray that PVC w/? It looks smooth as butter R.K.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cerebus Subwoofer Build

                              Ron, I also meant to ask you, how are you making your Rabbets? Are you cutting them w/ a dado blade or Router bit. I can usually tell by the cut , but at the angle of the pix I cant quite make it out. Which ever your using it looks like your dead on. BTW what size of a room are you planning on using this sub in. Thanks bud, R.K.

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