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    Hi,

    I'm not a singer, I don't play any instruments and I'm not an audio engineer... so I'm looking for a way to train my ears! I want to do more than just listen to my favorite recordings when I'm voicing/auditing a speaker.

    Got any advice ? I'm open to suggestions!

    I should add that I'm not completely noob and have already done some reading ... (Sound Reproduction, Master Handbook of Acoustics, Testing Loudspeakers, etc).

    I've tried this trick but turns out to be not so practical! ;)


    Thanks,
    Chuck

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    Re: Golden ear training

    harman's got this.

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    • #3
      Re: Golden ear training

      Originally posted by asdf View Post
      harman's got this.
      This is exactly the kind of stuff i'm looking for!!! :D:D:D

      Edit : I've just noticed that this is your first post! Welcome on PE's forum!

      Thank you very much,
      Chuck

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      • #4
        Re: Golden ear training

        That's an actual job though.

        Go to an acoustic concert.

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        • #5
          Re: Golden ear training

          I've found the work of Mastering Engineer Bob Katz ( Mastering Audio: The Art and Science ) to be insightful. He conducts seminars on critical listening.

          Even this simple tool helps pitch ID acuity.
          http://sft.sourceforge.net/
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          • #6
            Re: Golden ear training

            Originally posted by greywarden View Post
            Go to an acoustic concert.
            I agree. If you don't know what a band or specific instruments sound like in real life, then it's pretty inane to try and judge speakers by how "true" they reproduce music. Some of the most amazing stuff I've heard is genres I don't really listen to, E.g. a live bluegrass trio playing in a local coffee shop without the need or use of amplification-- just plain instruments. If I ever hear some speakers that can sound like that kind of live music, then they are winners for sure.

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            • #7
              Re: Golden ear training

              +10 on the acoustical concert. Take in unmiked guitarists at coffe houses, and jazz bands at colleges. There are a lot of sources. Live rock band praticing is great, too. Then you hear some plugged in stuff but not through a whole arena. Can really bring out some education as far as what a Les Paul sounds like throug a dual 10" marshall driven by tubes.
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              • #8
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                The only thing you have to remember when listening to a recording through your speakers is that you are not listening to a live event. You are listening to a recording of some event that is manipulated in a massive manner straight from the microphone placement on down the line to the mastering engineer's studio.

                The most accurate way to assess loudspeakers might actually be to graph them. Of course a comprehensive set of measurements is beyond most of the DIY community. "might" is an understatement. Of course you then have to know how to interpret the graphs. Sounds like you've read the best book on the subject.

                Getting an EQ and fiddling with it is actually a very good way to train the ear. Cut/boost bands and adjust the Q of the filter and listen to what happens to the sound. When you get it down pat what happens when you cut/boost one band, go to 2 and then 3 and on down the line.

                It's definitely much simpler and faster to graph and a more stable, objective way to do it.

                Just my opinion,

                Dan
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by greywarden View Post
                  Go to an acoustic concert.
                  Ok! I'll do... well I'll try. I live in small town (< 7000 people) and frankly I don't know where I could listen this kind of event near where I live ... but at least I'll try!

                  Originally posted by Sydney View Post
                  I've found the work of Mastering Engineer Bob Katz ( Mastering Audio: The Art and Science ) to be insightful. He conducts seminars on critical listening.

                  Even this simple tool helps pitch ID acuity.
                  http://sft.sourceforge.net/
                  Thanks, I'll give it a try when I get the chance!

                  Originally posted by dantheman View Post
                  The only thing you have to remember when listening to a recording through your speakers is that you are not listening to a live event. You are listening to a recording of some event that is manipulated in a massive manner straight from the microphone placement on down the line to the mastering engineer's studio.
                  Exactly what I thought... listening to a "Live Acoustical Event" may be educational but it has nothing to do with an actual recording ...

                  Originally posted by dantheman View Post
                  The most accurate way to assess loudspeakers might actually be to graph them. Of course a comprehensive set of measurements is beyond most of the DIY community. "might" is an understatement. Of course you then have to know how to interpret the graphs. Sounds like you've read the best book on the subject.

                  Getting an EQ and fiddling with it is actually a very good way to train the ear. Cut/boost bands and adjust the Q of the filter and listen to what happens to the sound. When you get it down pat what happens when you cut/boost one band, go to 2 and then 3 and on down the line.

                  It's definitely much simpler and faster to graph and a more stable, objective way to do it.

                  Just my opinion,

                  Dan
                  I've a full measurement setup and know how to take measurement for over design. I don't have an EQ but I've lspCAD Auralizer (crossover emulator) setup and fully functional. Truly a wonderful tool to understand the role and impact of each crossover components on the sound.

                  Thanks,
                  Chuck

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                  • #10
                    Re: Golden ear training

                    Ok! I'll do... well I'll try. I live in small town (< 7000 people) and frankly I don't know where I could listen this kind of event near where I live ... but at least I'll try!
                    I live in very small town, but having been around family and friends that were musicians all my life builds a strong frame of reference.
                    ( they make their own music though it an be a very expensive hobby )

                    Listen to solo instruments like a piano ( with it's extended octave range ) or instruments with narrow ranges for their nuances. Solo voices ( because of evolved acuity to that ) also.

                    I've been willing to travel a good distance to hear a good show.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Golden ear training

                      as with others, +10 for listening to a lot of live music, especially acoustic and vocal. You may want to get a nice 31 band graphical equalizer (easy to do on a PC), and play with boosting or cutting specific frequencies. Not to make the speakers sound better, but to train yourselve to hear things. I once saw a chart of bass to treble frequencies marked with too little or too much emphasis. Adjectives like boomy, chesty, throaty, dry, hollow, nasal, muffled, sizzling, and such. This is essentially how great recording engineers develop their ears.

                      There are no short cuts. This will take a while.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Golden ear training

                        Originally posted by fusseli View Post
                        I agree. If you don't know what a band or specific instruments sound like in real life, then it's pretty inane to try and judge speakers by how "true" they reproduce music. Some of the most amazing stuff I've heard is genres I don't really listen to, E.g. a live bluegrass trio playing in a local coffee shop without the need or use of amplification-- just plain instruments. If I ever hear some speakers that can sound like that kind of live music, then they are winners for sure.
                        Speaking of... Mumford&Sons rocked the SH!T out of the VMAs lastyear. I'd like to see those guys at a small venue show.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Golden ear training

                          Originally posted by donradick View Post
                          as with others, +10 for listening to a lot of live music, especially acoustic and vocal. You may want to get a nice 31 band graphical equalizer (easy to do on a PC), and play with boosting or cutting specific frequencies. Not to make the speakers sound better, but to train yourselve to hear things. I once saw a chart of bass to treble frequencies marked with too little or too much emphasis. Adjectives like boomy, chesty, throaty, dry, hollow, nasal, muffled, sizzling, and such. This is essentially how great recording engineers develop their ears.

                          There are no short cuts. This will take a while.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Golden ear training

                            http://www.moultonlabs.com/full/product01

                            A little pricey, but worth it if you can get through the whole set.

                            Greg

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                            • #15
                              Re: Golden ear training

                              I ( and others involved in sound ) have found the type of chart that Greywarden linked invaluable.
                              The only problem is variation in interpretation and agreement of the subjective terms: such as where "boomy" or "thump" is in the frequency range.
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