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  • New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

    Just holding space mostly for now, but I thought I'd post this up as a prelim, and to be ensuing build thread. In the same vein as the 'Attitudes', but hopefully more diminutive, maybe a bit leaner and meaner, while still envoking tons of opinions and smiling faces....

    Drivers selected:
    -Beston RT003C round planar-ribbon.
    -HiVi DMB-A 2" dome-mid. (woulda been the DMN-A for a smaller footprint, but Neo $piked!)
    -HiVi M6A Al/Mg 6.5" midbass. (and maybe a version with the RS180-4. I don't have these though- I have the M6A's.)

    Synopsis- A hopefully same-size or smaller cab, with as-cohesive of a sound as the Attitudes had, at a lot lower cost with available drivers. Xovers may be outboard but diminutive and easily created, connected via Neutrik 4-poles.

    As to the 'lobes' from the 'Tudes, the adapted lobes on the Demeanor will be triangular in shape, or a humongous chamfer.

    Stay tuned!
    Wolf
    "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
    "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
    "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
    "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

    *InDIYana event website*

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    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

  • #2
    Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

    Another interesting design from the wolf man!!! I've been eyeballing that tweet, but have not heard one. Looking forward to this....
    https://www.facebook.com/Mosaic-Audi...7373763888294/

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    • #3
      Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

      Wow, that midrange has high power handling and sensitivity, looks great, and the price is terrific. Very cool!

      Does it sound good?

      The only thing more I could ask for is a protective screen, as on the RS series.

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      • #4
        Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

        Originally posted by Wolf View Post
        Just holding space mostly for now, but I thought I'd post this up as a prelim, and to be ensuing build thread. In the same vein as the 'Attitudes', but hopefully more diminutive, maybe a bit leaner and meaner, while still envoking tons of opinions and smiling faces....

        Drivers selected:
        -Beston RT003C round planar-ribbon.
        -HiVi DMB-A 2" dome-mid. (woulda been the DMN-A for a smaller footprint, but Neo $piked!)
        -HiVi M6A Al/Mg 6.5" midbass. (and maybe a version with the RS180-4. I don't have these though- I have the M6A's.)

        Synopsis- A hopefully same-size or smaller cab, with as-cohesive of a sound as the Attitudes had, at a lot lower cost with available drivers. Xovers may be outboard but diminutive and easily created, connected via Neutrik 4-poles.

        As to the 'lobes' from the 'Tudes, the adapted lobes on the Demeanor will be triangular in shape, or a humongous chamfer.

        Stay tuned!
        Wolf
        Can they sound half as nice as your attitudes Ben? I enjoyed them, so you got some work ahead of you. Tim

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        • #5
          Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

          Originally posted by 50 watt head View Post
          Wow, that midrange has high power handling and sensitivity, looks great, and the price is terrific. Very cool!

          Does it sound good?

          The only thing more I could ask for is a protective screen, as on the RS series.
          I know how the chamber-less DMN-A (mid of TM1a) sounded in the NEHD's, so I'm hoping I get a little more openness, and I've heard good reviews of the DMB-A from someone 'in the know'. It should sound very nice!

          I may try and see what I can do about a screen. I have some ideas....

          Later,
          Wolf
          "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
          "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
          "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
          "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

          *InDIYana event website*

          Photobucket pages:
          http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

          My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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          • #6
            Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

            Originally posted by theLinks View Post
            Can they sound half as nice as your attitudes Ben? I enjoyed them, so you got some work ahead of you. Tim
            I should only hope so. I will take my time in voicing, and strive for the best simulation with applied data I can get. I may even use some of the Attitude's 'tricks' I picked up designing those. It should prove to be a great exercise.

            One thing that will end up being likely different is the end result sensitivity and the nominal impedance. All of the drivers have highish sensitivity, unlike the RSS210, and the bass range will be 8 ohms on the M6, 4 ohms if I feel I need to try the RS180-4 instead.

            Oh- the RT003C will be surface-mounted as the design is intended, and overlap the midrange a tad. Tentative xover points are 750-800, and 3-4kHz.

            Later,
            Wolf
            "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
            "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
            "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
            "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

            *InDIYana event website*

            Photobucket pages:
            http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

            My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
            http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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            • #7
              Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

              How high and how low will that mid go?

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              • #8
                Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                Originally posted by GIS_PHAN View Post
                How high and how low will that mid go?
                http://www.swanspeaker.com/asp/produ...e/dmb-a-sm.jpg

                You can figure about 800-8kHz, but factoring in the CTC's really limits the topend. You might get 700 Hz if you comp the Fs, but that depends on how it sounds down there. I would say no higher than 5kHz due to spacings.

                Later,
                Wolf
                "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                *InDIYana event website*

                Photobucket pages:
                http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                • #9
                  Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                  Subscribed.

                  You keep coming up with interesting designs Wolf. First I get thinking that I'd like to try the TB W5-704D and presto I find the Canvas. Then I'm listening to the HiVi B4n and start wondering what the M6A is like and this comes along. I'm going to run out of places to put speakers at this rate and then my wife won't let me build anymore. Time to get creative. ;)

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                  • #10
                    Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                    I estimate the bill and mids will be here in a couple days, so then I can start the model.
                    I'm glad you find them interesting! I hope to keep your attention.

                    Later,
                    Wolf
                    "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                    "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                    "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                    "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                    *InDIYana event website*

                    Photobucket pages:
                    http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                    My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                    • #11
                      Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                      Any idea why PE carries the DMN but not the DMB?

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                      • #12
                        Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                        This looks like a cool project Wolf. I have heard good things about the M6a, and having another capable design using it would be great if you end up using it. I look forward to see how this develops.

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                        • #13
                          Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                          Originally posted by 50 watt head View Post
                          Any idea why PE carries the DMN but not the DMB?
                          I don't know. Meniscus carries both too.

                          The K1 is not at PE, Mad used to have an M3S that wasn't, MAD also carries the other variants of the RT1.3 and the L series, but PE does not.

                          There are quite a few PE does not stock.

                          Later,
                          Wolf
                          "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                          "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                          "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                          "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                          *InDIYana event website*

                          Photobucket pages:
                          http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                          My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                          • #14
                            Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                            I like the idea of this one. I look forward to watching it turn out. Just my opinion, but I think the M6 is going to smoke the Dayton RS180.
                            Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

                            Paul Carmody's DIY Audio Projects
                            Twitter: @undefinition1

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                            • #15
                              Re: New project layout: Sibling of 'Attitudes'; "Demeanor"...

                              Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
                              I like the idea of this one. I look forward to watching it turn out. Just my opinion, but I think the M6 is going to smoke the Dayton RS180.
                              I would likely think that myself. The move to the RS180-4 is kind of a just in case scenario, and only because the Attitudes used the RSS210HF-4. I'm betting I'll prefer the M6 since I prefer the M series to the RS series at this point, RSS need not apply- those are great.

                              To let some more information out- I have 8 of the HiVi M6a on hand, and finished T/S on them yesterday. AVG specs, high-low, and spec are as follows:

                              Re- 6.592 ohms, 6.7963-6.3058, 6.5
                              Fs- 59.283 Hz, 61.6405-57.0607, 47
                              Qes- 0.66533, 0.7118-0.6300, 0.5
                              Qms- 6.3990, 6.8418-6.1068, 2.76
                              Qts- 0.6025, 0.6387-0.5723, 0.43
                              Le- 0.62196 mH, 0.6519-0.6075, none
                              Vas- 11.4436 ltrs, 12.0870-10.5327, 18.7
                              BL- 7.28648, 7.4643-7.1912, none
                              1W/m- 87.2857 dB, 87.6201-87.1402, 88

                              They seem to be well within tolerances of each other, and 6 are from the same case-lot. The Bl is higher than lots of other 6.5" drivers I've measured too. Most are between 4 and 6.

                              And another thing- the 139 Sd spec that HiVi provides is larger than the peak-to-peak surround rule that most of us use. It is no more than 5" diameter on that measurement. Therefore, I'm using the calculated 126.67cm^2 spec.

                              Later,
                              Wolf

                              EDIT- added box simulation and Xmax/Mach at 100dB. Note that the absorption calc is between heavy and lined, so lined with a little stuffing.
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                              Last edited by Wolf; 12-18-2011, 11:16 PM. Reason: Added statement concerning Sd spec difference.
                              "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                              "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                              "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                              "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                              *InDIYana event website*

                              Photobucket pages:
                              http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                              My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                              http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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