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  • ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

    I'm looking to upgrade the tunes in my truck. I've done a few forum searches, but can't quite find what I'm looking for.

    I was wanting to know if anyone out there has used a Dayton RS150-4 + tweeter combo in the doors of their vehicle? If so, how did you like the results, which tweeter would you recommend, and is there an existing XO schematic out there to use?

    The way my door panels are set up, I can give the RS150's their own decent sized sealed enclosure behind the door panel since it protrudes out. I'll be sealing the enclosure of course to prevent moisture from getting to it. It also has a pre-existing spot not too far above the woofer for a tweeter behind a small grille. (Those who know Silverado door panels know what I'm describing.) I've already decided what I'm going to do for the low end/rear fill.

    I'm also looking for 4 channel amp suggestions. I'm not looking to spend uber bucks on it, but I want to spend enough to make it sound decent. It's been a while since I've messed with car audio, so I'm behind the times when it comes to who makes decent stuff these days.

    On a side note, if anyone has any of the above they would like to sell, hit me up! :D
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    Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

    I'd probably get a lot of crap on the car audio forumfor this, but i didn't want to spend a lot either. I went with the Rockford fosgate prime series amps and think they are great for the money. Check Amazon

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    • #3
      Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

      Originally posted by bark424 View Post
      I'd probably get a lot of crap on the car audio forumfor this, but i didn't want to spend a lot either. I went with the Rockford fosgate prime series amps and think they are great for the money. Check Amazon
      Thanks! I'll check em out. I have a $40 Amazon gift card I need to use anyway.
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      • #4
        Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

        I know back in the day (I'm talking 15 years ago) Hifonics made solid amps for the money (and my memory could be wrong on that). They have some really cheap amps still, but I don't know if they're any good these days. I think the diymobileaudio forum has some people who use RS drivers. You may want to search around over there. I've been toying around with the idea of a small upgrade to the car stereo too. I just can't rock it out with what's in there now. It's been 10 years since I've had anything in my car, but I still have an xtant 603x leftover that I probably only used 7 months so I figure maybe it's time to dust it off and bring it back to life.

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        • #5
          Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

          Yes, lots of people actually use the RS drivers, both 150 and 180, and like them. However, I don't personally think they're a good choice for car audio in a 2-way. The crossovers are typically low order in mobile audio to get enough energy in the shared region between the tweeter and woofer due to the high off-axis angle of the woofer and both RS drivers have some nasty breakup that a shallow XO will not drop significantly enough even when off axis. Obviously the RS150 would work better, but many have used the RS180 and liked them. Keep in mind that them liking it is purely subjective and often people have car systems with horrible response and like them just fine. So to summarize my long-winded blurbage, yes, many use them and like them just fine, but that doesn't mean they measure good at all.

          Oh, and for amps, I'm really a class D guy now mostly (though I still love the few ABs I kept). They're at a stage now where A/Bs were a couple of years after they got introduced. There's still a vast majority of people that will trash the newer technology for deficiencies in performance that likely either don't exist or we're not capable of actually hearing. With that said, I think the new crop of class D amps offer more than their A/B counterparts. More power, more efficiency, more left over space (smaller footprint).
          PPI's Ion series and their equivalent Soundstream Nano series offer great performance and super small footprints at really low prices. There are quite a few other class D amps from well known brands that are very reasonably priced. For a higher price, I really like the Zapco ST class-D (don't want to call them ST-D series...err) series. The ST4X is a nice amp, but costs double that of PPI, Soundstream, Kenwood, Clarion, etc. that offer similar performing amps.
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          • #6
            Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

            Thanks, guys. The more I think about it, the RS's may not make a decent choice for me. I realized they would be extremely off axis, but I didn't realize by just how much until I went out and actually measured the distances instead of just eyeing it. The tweeter would be close enough to them for the XO point, but I just don't think the pros outweigh the cons of using them. If I find a decent crossover, I may try it out anyway and do a comparison.

            It may make more sense to just get some nice components with pre-made XOs, but I just like the DIY aspect of putting something together instead.
            RYAN N.

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            • #7
              Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

              I'm using the RS180 in a 3-way set-up, they are LP at [email protected] You could use the 150's paired with a tweeter with a low FS ([email protected] 2000-2500Hz) and achieve great results. As for power, 50watt RMS should suffice.

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              • #8
                Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                Originally posted by sienna1 View Post
                I'm using the RS180 in a 3-way set-up, they are LP at [email protected] You could use the 150's paired with a tweeter with a low FS ([email protected] 2000-2500Hz) and achieve great results. As for power, 50watt RMS should suffice.
                I've been lurking at the DIYMA site for about half an hour now, and the more I hear about the RS drivers there, the more I want to try them now! Seems that they don't have much problem with them being off axis, and they seem to be a great choice for Chevy trucks like mine. Those guys remind me a lot of this forum, but with cars. They know their stuff.
                RYAN N.

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                • #9
                  Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                  Are you set on running them passive. Many have used the minidsp and the minidc isolator have been very happy. In fact, pair the minidsp up with this...

                  http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...PI-P900.4.html

                  And for about $350, youll have 4ch of about 145w including dsp. As for mids and tweets, its all up to you. As said before, many have used the rs180's and had success. But thats subjective. With a gazillion reflections, you can never guess the out one. Especially with trying to trial and error a passive xover.

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                  • #10
                    Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                    The XO's would be passive at this point. It has crossed my mind to go active though. If I decided to sink that kind of money into it, I'd look at going with an Audison Bit 10 D.
                    RYAN N.

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                    • #11
                      Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                      Yea, so what is the budget?

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                      • #12
                        Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                        Right now I want to keep the front stage, amp, and head unit under $600. I already have everything for the rear. The Bit 10 would be if I decided to sink more money into it. The MiniDSP would definitely be a little more cost effective though.
                        RYAN N.

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                        • #13
                          Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                          Most on diyma are running the Daytons active. A 3 way is much better to keep the RS in their happy zone. If you use the 150, go with a steep slope but you'll need a good tweeter. I think there are better options for the car. You can go active for under your 600 budget unless there are certain brands models you must have. I saw a JVC 730BT on Frys for 80 last time.
                          Nichikuros - Peerless 831735 Nomex + Vifa NE25VTA
                          Digger8 - Small compact 8" sub with F3 = 20Hz
                          Madison-D and Madison-R - Tang Band W4-1720 + Vifa BC25SC06 or Beston RT003C (TM and MTM)
                          Jeffrey - Tang Band W5-704D + Beston RT003C
                          Jasmine - Fountek FW146 + Fountek NeoCD3.0 Ribbon in Pioneer BS21 Cabinet

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                          • #14
                            Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                            Instead of a DSP you could go with a head unit like the Pioneer DEH-80PRS (one of the most popular high end head units), which can do all the processing and crossover-ing on board. I'm sure there are other head units that can do the same or similar functions, but that's the most common and the only one I know of. Then, if you get a rockford prime amp or the PPI linked above (either of which I'd say are good for the money), that leaves you with $150-200 for speakers. Not much, but I'm sure you could get something good with that.

                            I'd like to see pics and results when you're done though, especially if you use the Daytons :D

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                            • #15
                              Re: ??'s for the Car Audio Gurus.

                              If i was on a limited budget, (oh I right I am, $600 is huge for me, lol) I would get some of those 4-ohm eminence alpha 6's and the small dome tweeter of your choice, then use the rest of the budget for the deck and x-over. The alpha's are uber sensitive and can be run off the 20 watts a deck puts out. Also the alpha 6's breakup is much easier handled than the RS series breakup.

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