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  • #16
    Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

    Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
    Noisy how?

    I do have both versions of the W5-1138, by the way. Yes, the design can be adapted for it, but the tuning would most likely need to be adjusted.
    Paul,

    What would I need to do if I wanted to use the other subwoofer instead of the actual one you have listed?

    I was thinking of using it as a Christmas gift...

    Kevin
    Shaken, not stirred...

    Classix II
    OS MTM's
    Digger 8 sub
    Overnight Sensations Center Channel
    Sprite Build
    Wolf's PC Speakers
    Minions III with Voxel Sub

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    • #17
      Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

      Another question: what do you recommend for stuffing? Accousti stuff or felt or matress topper, and how much..

      thanks, I agree nice gift and also nice addition to a regular tv sound.

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      • #18
        Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

        Originally posted by nrg74 View Post
        Another question: what do you recommend for stuffing? Accousti stuff or felt or matress topper, and how much..

        thanks, I agree nice gift and also nice addition to a regular tv sound.

        I put this question to Paul in another thread. He replied that he had no stuffing in the Voxel that he build and typically doesnt stuff a vented sub. He did not discourage experimentation though.
        Thanks,
        Jeff


        Projects:

        "Overnight Sensations" Build Thread
        Wolf's "PC", plus Paul Carmody's - "Sprites", and "Voxel" subwoofer 2.1 micro systems - Build Thread

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        • #19
          Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

          Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
          Noisy how?
          Mechanical noise. I made a subwoofer/2.1 system for my brother in law a few years back designed around the neo version and it made so much noise, it was clearly audible above the music.

          I had three of these that I purchased several years ago when they were very cheap and I tried all three. Two of them were just way too loud, the third was less noisy, but I still couldn't use it. I ended up using the 6.5 in it's place and it worked well. Nothing seemed to be coming apart on them, so I don't really know what the noise was coming from, but it was loud. These were probably purchased in the neighborhood of 5-6 years ago.

          TomZ
          *Veneering curves, seams, using heat-lock iron on method *Trimming veneer & tips *Curved Sides glue-up video
          *Part 2 *Gluing multiple curved laminations of HDF *Cello's Speaker Project Page

          *Building the "Micro-B 2.1 Plate Amplifier -- Part 1 * Part 2 * Part 3 * Part 4 * * Part 5 'Review' * -- Assembly Instructions PDF

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          • #20
            Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

            Originally posted by tomzarbo View Post
            Mechanical noise. I made a subwoofer/2.1 system for my brother in law a few years back designed around the neo version and it made so much noise, it was clearly audible above the music.

            I had three of these that I purchased several years ago when they were very cheap and I tried all three. Two of them were just way too loud, the third was less noisy, but I still couldn't use it. I ended up using the 6.5 in it's place and it worked well. Nothing seemed to be coming apart on them, so I don't really know what the noise was coming from, but it was loud. These were probably purchased in the neighborhood of 5-6 years ago.

            TomZ
            IIRC, the 1138 was early on plagued with VC rocking in the gap. I know the 1363 was later made a dual spider driver due to this reason, and all 3 models now IIRC have opposed terminal connections to limit this issue. I do know my 2x 'Triumph' 1138 subs are not noisy, but the original Comp5 was a little rocky. The one in the Comp5 was an original model, and the Triumphs are later units; all neo.

            Later,
            Wolf
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            • #21
              Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

              Originally posted by Wolf View Post
              IIRC, the 1138 was early on plagued with VC rocking in the gap. I know the 1363 was later made a dual spider driver due to this reason, and all 3 models now IIRC have opposed terminal connections to limit this issue. I do know my 2x 'Triumph' 1138 subs are not noisy, but the original Comp5 was a little rocky. The one in the Comp5 was an original model, and the Triumphs are later units; all neo.

              Later,
              Wolf
              That must be the reason, then. They were early units bought years ago when they were cheap.
              I couldn't find any defect on them at the time to be causing any noise issues.

              I wonder if adding a slight amount of weight to the opposite side of the cone would help to counteract the rocking? I was very surprised to discover how loud it was.
              They've been sitting in storage ever since. I'll have to break these out soon to mess with them some more.

              TomZ
              *Veneering curves, seams, using heat-lock iron on method *Trimming veneer & tips *Curved Sides glue-up video
              *Part 2 *Gluing multiple curved laminations of HDF *Cello's Speaker Project Page

              *Building the "Micro-B 2.1 Plate Amplifier -- Part 1 * Part 2 * Part 3 * Part 4 * * Part 5 'Review' * -- Assembly Instructions PDF

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              • #22
                Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                This looks like a great little project! Shame that speaker is back ordered for so long!

                Here are a couple of other potential 2.1 amps that I found:

                http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route...&product_id=64

                http://www.parts-express.com/term/mc...?srch=mca2250e

                The first looks quite interesting but I'm not sure if it's any good and it's a lot more expensive. I think along with my other project I'm going to build a 2.1 system with the Voxel sub and a pair of OS TM's!

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                • #23
                  Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                  Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
                  I brought this project to InDIYana 2013, but never put any info out there about it. A thread a few days ago asking for a small sub prompted me to get myself in gear and post the plans.

                  I designed the sub around this amp, although obviously any sub plate amp will work (depending on how creative you want to get mounting it to the somewhat small enclosure). Is this amp truly 68 Watts? Probably not, however it has the neat bonus of allowing you to add bookshelf speakers to create a 2.1 setup.

                  The only other things you need to do this project are:

                  [ATTACH=CONFIG]38849[/ATTACH]

                  The approximate volume of the enclosure is around 7 Liters, and it should reach an F3 of 35 Hz. I don't have an exact number for the max SPL, but in theory it should be able to get to 98 dB before the amp runs out of steam. The port diameter may be the weakest link here, and would probably chuff pretty bad if pushed any harder. That driver, it just goes and goes; this is the kind of thing it was meant to do.
                  Paul,

                  Would this port work cut down to 4"?

                  Kevin
                  Shaken, not stirred...

                  Classix II
                  OS MTM's
                  Digger 8 sub
                  Overnight Sensations Center Channel
                  Sprite Build
                  Wolf's PC Speakers
                  Minions III with Voxel Sub

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                  • #24
                    Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                    Originally posted by Benji View Post
                    This looks like a great little project! Shame that speaker is back ordered for so long!

                    Here are a couple of other potential 2.1 amps that I found:

                    http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route...&product_id=64

                    http://www.parts-express.com/term/mc...?srch=mca2250e

                    The first looks quite interesting but I'm not sure if it's any good and it's a lot more expensive. I think along with my other project I'm going to build a 2.1 system with the Voxel sub and a pair of OS TM's!
                    If DIY amp its ok for you, try the YJ TPA3116D2 2.1 board, they are easy to find in eBay or Aliexpress...

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                    • #25
                      Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                      Originally posted by danzz View Post
                      If DIY amp its ok for you, try the YJ TPA3116D2 2.1 board, they are easy to find in eBay or Aliexpress...
                      VERY interesting, thank you for the link! Looks like it would be perfect for a pair of OS TM's and a Voxel sub!

                      Trying to find more information on where the crossover point is and what sort of power supply should be used, found a thread on diyAudio discussing it:

                      http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/class...116d2-amp.html

                      Found this -

                      2.1 Amp - 'Cheap' version:
                      http://www.yuan-jing.com/tpa3116-cla...fer-board-100w

                      2.1 Amp - 'Delux' version:
                      http://www.yuan-jing.com/tpa3116-cla...ard-100w-delux

                      2.1 Amp - 'Complete' version:
                      http://www.yuan-jing.com/tpa3116d-cl...w-audio-tuning

                      From AliExpress:
                      http://www.aliexpress.com/item/YJHiF...323421429.html

                      That's $52 with free shipping.... worth a punt, think I'm going to give this a go, just need someone to CNC cut all the MDF for the OS TM's and Voxel sub for me! Still not sure which power supply to use though.
                      Last edited by Benji; 10-24-2013, 11:33 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                        PM Takitaj here on the TT forum. Tom has created many cabinets for me over the past year and he does superb work at a reasonable price.

                        In fact I am going to have Tom create me a voxel sub flat pack when the driver comes back in stock...

                        Kevin
                        Shaken, not stirred...

                        Classix II
                        OS MTM's
                        Digger 8 sub
                        Overnight Sensations Center Channel
                        Sprite Build
                        Wolf's PC Speakers
                        Minions III with Voxel Sub

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                        • #27
                          Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                          Originally posted by kevin007 View Post
                          PM Takitaj here on the TT forum. Tom has created many cabinets for me over the past year and he does superb work at a reasonable price.

                          In fact I am going to have Tom create me a voxel sub flat pack when the driver comes back in stock...

                          Kevin
                          I did, and emailed, he seems to be AWOL. Someone suggested he was very busy :(

                          I've got a big order for him as well:

                          4xOS TM's
                          2xOS MTM towers
                          2xDigger8's
                          1xVoxel

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                          • #28
                            Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                            FYI, 'Yuan-Jing' just emailed me this which they just got in and is a suitable PSU for their 2.1 amp:
                            http://www.yuan-jing.com/ac-dc-adapt...ly-smps-24v-5a

                            Problem is shipping from their site with the complete 2.1 amp is $66 on top of everything else, I believe I found the PSU from another source where shipping shouldn't be as expensive and then you can get the complete amp from AliExpress where shipping is free:
                            http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-AD1202.../dp/B00D3B293Y
                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-...item3381aae130

                            There may be more. I'm thinking about taking a shot but switching the OS TM's for 'The Minions II' I've just spotted over on another thread, trying to keep costs down for a 2.1 system!

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                            • #29
                              Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                              I just came across somewhat similar concept/design utilizing Tang Bang driver in a small enclose:

                              https://sites.google.com/site/1dbvis...ofer-enclosure

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                              • #30
                                Re: Voxel - a mini-sub+

                                Originally posted by PeterF View Post
                                I just came across somewhat similar concept/design utilizing Tang Bang driver in a small enclose:

                                https://sites.google.com/site/1dbvis...ofer-enclosure
                                I didn't know about that. But he's got the right idea. He just needs to think smaller
                                Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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