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  • InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

    I'm awaiting response from Angie at the Hyatt to find out what is open in April and May this year. I know Easter is the 3rd weekend of April, AXPONA is the 25-27 in Chi-Town, and I'd really like to avoid the Vera Bradley sale again this year.

    This will again be a Fri/Sat event as normal, and I have a planned theme to tag along with this.

    Along those lines, if you recall last fall some were brainstorming what they would like me to do or to allow, and I've come down to 2 things:

    *Series Xovers- Most of the builders here use parallel varieties, but I would like to extrapolate upon this line of thinking. There are OTHER ways to xover drivers to each other. Most of the builders prefer an LR4 alignment for a standard TM 2-way, and BW3 is liked for filling in the dips and nulls in an MTM. LR2 is also difficult unless you have the right drivers and I've seen quite a few in the last few years of those as well. I've even seen a linear-phase result in Jeff's Kairos.

    So- extrapolated....

    Use something unconventional/less-prevalent in terms of xover alignment. SXO, Gaussian, Cauer-elliptic, BW1, Linear-phase, or Transient Perfect for example. Bessel, LR-anything, BW2+ need not parallelally (=-)) apply. If this develops into a sonic competition, more points will be awarded if the SXO is used- more on this later. Of course, you can build an SXO of the "Bessel, LR-anything, BW2+" and still be allowed in.

    *Rectangular prism boxes- Let's not use them at all. I want to see odd shapes, non-right-angled panels, and driver positions that aren't necessarily normal if you can make it work.

    I dub this:
    **Ludicrosity**

    Use your artistic expressions, your miter-saw, and your good sense to come up with something entirely different and that still sounds great.

    As to the limit on drivers (xover not included this year, as this could be widely variant) 300/pair total sounds reasonable. As usual- no buyout drivers, unless you can find a regular price somewhere that is not the buyout price. Please do not use drivers that are no longer available.

    See what you can come up with!!
    Any Questions?
    Wolf
    "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
    "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
    "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
    "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

    *InDIYana event website*

    Photobucket pages:
    http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

    My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

  • #2
    Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

    Blind sound judging?
    Points for craftsmanship or just unusual shapes?
    Maybe a preliminary score sheet would help.
    John H

    Synergy Horn, SLS-85, BMR-3L, Mini-TL, BR-2, Titan OB, B452, Udique, Vultus, Latus1, Seriatim, Aperivox,Pencil Tower

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    • #3
      Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

      So are we looking at the 12-13 of April?
      https://www.facebook.com/Mosaic-Audi...7373763888294/

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      • #4
        Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

        I think the Ansonica is priced out. Oh well. Y'all heard the series XO anyway. It even has an unconventional twist borrowed from CE filters.

        I'm just not sure I need another project or I'd take this on for sure, assuming I can finally make the trek this year. Sounds like a fun project. Ahh, maybe I'll go for it anyway.
        diVine Audio

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        • #5
          Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

          Chuck remember that PVC ... ;)
          John H

          Synergy Horn, SLS-85, BMR-3L, Mini-TL, BR-2, Titan OB, B452, Udique, Vultus, Latus1, Seriatim, Aperivox,Pencil Tower

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          • #6
            Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

            There are good reasons why most of the crossover types you mentioned aren't used, and probably never should be, expect for helping to understand crossover theory.

            And Ben, friends don't let friends build series crossovers.

            Jeff
            Click here for Jeff Bagby's Loudspeaker Design Software

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            • #7
              Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

              Just so I stay informed on this thread, not to think about making an entry with a series crossover, pretty much any dates are fine with me. Wolf, I'm still planning on debuting a new speaker built to, hopefully, please your eyes! ;)
              Paul

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              • #8
                Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                Originally posted by jhollander View Post
                Chuck remember that PVC ... ;)
                oh I havent. There are a few ideas rolling around for those. lol
                https://www.facebook.com/Mosaic-Audi...7373763888294/

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                • #9
                  Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                  Originally posted by jeff b. View Post
                  and ben, friends don't let friends build series crossovers.

                  Jeff
                  lol!
                  John H

                  Synergy Horn, SLS-85, BMR-3L, Mini-TL, BR-2, Titan OB, B452, Udique, Vultus, Latus1, Seriatim, Aperivox,Pencil Tower

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                  • #10
                    Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                    Originally posted by jhollander View Post
                    Blind sound judging?
                    Points for craftsmanship or just unusual shapes?
                    Maybe a preliminary score sheet would help.
                    I don't know if it'll be blind this year, we'll see.

                    Wolf
                    "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                    "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                    "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                    "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                    *InDIYana event website*

                    Photobucket pages:
                    http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                    My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                    • #11
                      Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                      Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
                      There are good reasons why most of the crossover types you mentioned aren't used, and probably never should be, expect for helping to understand crossover theory.

                      And Ben, friends don't let friends build series crossovers.

                      Jeff
                      I'm just trying to get people to experiment outside of the perpetual LR4 machine. And yes- I know- "SXO's are for masochists." is still written in my notebook from your seminar. ;)

                      I like to get people to try new things....
                      Wolf
                      "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                      "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                      "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                      "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                      *InDIYana event website*

                      Photobucket pages:
                      http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                      My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                      http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                      • #12
                        Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                        Okay, In April, the 18/19 are available. I believe that is Easter weekend.

                        8-13 is Vera Bradley.


                        So- I wonder what is open in May....
                        I'll be in touch,
                        Wolf
                        "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                        "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                        "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                        "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                        *InDIYana event website*

                        Photobucket pages:
                        http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                        My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                        http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                        • #13
                          Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                          Out of curiosity, what if we have tried new things and rejected them? Not everyone who applies the 4th LR approach is a clone , and needs encouraging to do something different. Some of us have played in the sandbox, and prefer the swingset - we get closer to the sun that way.
                          Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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                          • #14
                            Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                            Originally posted by johnnyrichards View Post
                            Out of curiosity, what if we have tried new things and rejected them? Not everyone who applies the 4th LR approach is a clone , and needs encouraging to do something different. Some of us have played in the sandbox, and prefer the swingset - we get closer to the sun that way.
                            Did I say they were clones? Did I say you had to comply? You can bring a project that does not fit in the theme criteria, and still get your speaker demoed, but it just won't be in the challenge sector. Even I make designs with LR4 acoustic slopes. I just would like entrants for the themes to do something different than their normal routine. This makes it a bit more fun.

                            I mean- it's my event planning, so I guess I get to make the theme entail what I would like to try, right?
                            Just explore your imagination a bit. I did not say you were limited to the short list I gave. There are more options.

                            So- You are welcome to not try new things,
                            Wolf
                            "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                            "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                            "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                            "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                            *InDIYana event website*

                            Photobucket pages:
                            http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                            My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                            http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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                            • #15
                              Re: InDIYana 2014 Prelim Thread....

                              Okay, In May we have 16/17th available and 23/24th available. I don't want to do the 23/24, as the 24th is my wedding anniversary.

                              So- we have:
                              18/19th in April (Easter weekend)
                              16/17th in May

                              Does anyone prefer March? I'd like to not go that early as that leaves less time for preparations.
                              It looks like the 16/17th in May will likely have to do.
                              Any objections?
                              Wolf
                              "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                              "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                              "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                              "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                              *InDIYana event website*

                              Photobucket pages:
                              http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

                              My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
                              http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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