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    Anybody have any experience with this or can tell me anything about it? For a long time now, everytime I go in the clearance section I am drawn to this driver......maybe a mid in a mini 3-way?

    http://www.parts-express.com/peerles...range--299-008
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    Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

    A mini 3way would definitely be possible. I used the neo version as a mid/tweet and am very happy with it. A 6.5" woofer and maybe the Dayton nd16.
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    • #3
      Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

      I'm building a tiny MTM with them.

      http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...light=peerless

      I haven't done a ton of listening, but they sound pretty good from what I've heard so far.

      Don't underestimate how ugly that front flange is. I thought I would just deal with it, but after looking at the prototype box for a while I couldn't stand it. Building a sandwich baffle or grill is a requirement in my opinion.

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      • #4
        Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

        Hmmmm....interesting. I was just thinking to myself I need to start doing some builds with drivers other than TB's and Dayton's, just to start branching out and seeing what's out there. This could be the platform to jump off.

        I'm thinking I could build these mini 3-ways to be a desktop build. Is there a 5" woofer out there that, for a desktop build, could dig into the 30's/40's in a reasonable (under .5 cubes?) size? If there is a 6-6.5" that would do better in the same space then of course I would go that route, but just trying to push the limits. I know Kerry is getting busy on a mini 3-way here soon, but sure wouldn't mind throwing another option out there. I'll probably end up recruiting him to help me. :p

        Maybe help me whittle this list down? I know some are WAYYY out classing that 2"..... don't worry about that unless it will make it sound bad. :p
        http://www.parts-express.com/hivi-f5...range--297-435
        http://www.parts-express.com/peerles...ofer--264-1074
        http://www.parts-express.com/hivi-m6...dbass--297-441
        http://www.parts-express.com/peerles...ofer--264-1078
        http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...r-cone-woofer/
        http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...1/2-wool-cone/
        http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...r-cone-woofer/
        http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...30-4-5-woofer/
        http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...s-5.25-woofer/
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        • #5
          Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

          Originally posted by lowpolyjoe View Post
          I'm building a tiny MTM with them.

          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...light=peerless

          I haven't done a ton of listening, but they sound pretty good from what I've heard so far.

          Don't underestimate how ugly that front flange is. I thought I would just deal with it, but after looking at the prototype box for a while I couldn't stand it. Building a sandwich baffle or grill is a requirement in my opinion.
          Thanks! totally forgot about your build. I might use your build for my Dad's patio build. I think it will fit.
          Builds - C-Killa - Speedsters - LithMTM - Talking Sticks - Pocket Rockets - Khanspires - Dayton RS Center - RS225/28A - Kairos - Adelphos - SEOS TD12X - Dayton 8 - Needles - 871S - eD6c - Overnight Sensations - Tritrix (ported) - Lineup F4 - Stentorians - The Cheapies - Tub Thumpers - Barbells - Tuba HT - Numerous subwoofers - probably missing a few...... :p

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          • #6
            Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

            Originally posted by joeybutts View Post
            Hmmmm....interesting. I was just thinking to myself I need to start doing some builds with drivers other than TB's and Dayton's, just to start branching out and seeing what's out there. This could be the platform to jump off.

            I'm thinking I could build these mini 3-ways to be a desktop build. Is there a 5" woofer out there that, for a desktop build, could dig into the 30's/40's in a reasonable (under .5 cubes?) size? If there is a 6-6.5" that would do better in the same space then of course I would go that route, but just trying to push the limits. I know Kerry is getting busy on a mini 3-way here soon, but sure wouldn't mind throwing another option out there. I'll probably end up recruiting him to help me. :p

            Maybe help me whittle this list down? I know some are WAYYY out classing that 2"..... don't worry about that unless it will make it sound bad. :p
            http://www.parts-express.com/hivi-f5...range--297-435
            http://www.parts-express.com/peerles...ofer--264-1074
            http://www.parts-express.com/hivi-m6...dbass--297-441
            http://www.parts-express.com/peerles...ofer--264-1078
            http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...r-cone-woofer/
            http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...1/2-wool-cone/
            http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...r-cone-woofer/
            http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...30-4-5-woofer/
            http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...s-5.25-woofer/
            I don't think a small 3-way is very practical. The x-over cost will be high, and the box size small. My 3-way x-overs wouldn't fit in a .5 cu-ft box, or through the cutout for a 5" woofer.

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              Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

              Originally posted by rpb View Post
              I don't think a small 3-way is very practical. The x-over cost will be high, and the box size small. My 3-way x-overs wouldn't fit in a .5 cu-ft box, or through the cutout for a 5" woofer.
              The crossovers don't have to go inside the enclosure. Mount the XO's on the back and cover them with some Plexi.
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              • #8
                Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                Is a three-way worth the effort? The copper costs much more than the drivers, unless you can source surplus inductors you can make work.

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                • #9
                  Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                  Originally posted by rpb View Post
                  I don't think a small 3-way is very practical. The x-over cost will be high, and the box size small. My 3-way x-overs wouldn't fit in a .5 cu-ft box, or through the cutout for a 5" woofer.
                  If using low cost small drivers, use low cost small crossover parts as well. I wouldn't use 16AWG inductors with a $7 speaker. That said, unless you really need the space savings, I don't see a small 3-way that practical either due to the low sensitivity that will result, requiring more amp power to make them sing, and still have a limited maximum output. Bigger is always better if the space and wife allow it.

                  Regarding this driver, I would splurge a few more bucks on something a bit bigger/better. My rule of thumb is to never go below 3" for mid/fullrange drivers, as the sensitivity and useability (useful bottom end) really suffers below that. 3.5" seems to be the sweet-spot for drivers capable of meeting an 85dB system sensitivity to match a large woofer, with the mid usually being 4 ohm mating with an 8 ohm woofer (similar to that of the 3" cone tweeters from back in the day).

                  I have a two way system sitting in my living room right now made from an old Realistic Optimus-5 set. I re-used the cabinets and woofers, and replaced the mid/high end with a single Vifa TG9. The crossover was so simple to design and the sound is fantastic. A bit soft on the high end, but I don't consider that a bad thing as its a real classic sound that matches with vintage look of the speaker.

                  The cost difference of $10-20 on drivers for DIY work is negligible IMO. For the time and effort spent on design and building, and the time afterwords that you'll enjoy them, don't hold back on the spare change items that can make a big impact on performance. The way I look at it, I've spend $10 on beer and only enjoyed that for about an hour, so spend the extra $ on a pair of speakers you plan to enjoy for years to come.
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                    Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                    The crossovers don't have to go inside the enclosure. Mount the XO's on the back and cover them with some Plexi.
                    The back of the box would still be too small for a proper 3-way x-over. For the cost of the mid, and mid portion of the x-over, an RS28a could be purchased and used with any 5" to 6.5" woofer in a 2-way for a cheaper, smaller, and better sounding speaker.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                      You could also look at a 2.5 way or mmtmm setup, since the issue of crossover parts, but it would be cool to have a small three way that could set on a desktop.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                        It may be impractical, but I've been thinking about a mini desktop 3-way ever since
                        I heard about the Hafniums. I thinking about something similar, but in an
                        Overnight Sensations volume box (about 4.5 L)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                          Impractical as it maybe, it is also a less costly prospect from a learning perspective. As far as the crossover size, it doesnt have to be that large. I recently finished a 3 way, 2nd order all around that measures about 7x7". And I could have shrunk that if needed.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                            Hey Joey, check out the Hafnium: Vifa TC9, Vifa OT19, and the TB W5-1138SMF. I'm considering using the TC9/OT19 combo as a 2-way with a plate-powered W5/W6. That should restore the sensitivity as the series resistors are significant. Just an idea.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Peerless mid in Clearance....

                              Joey,

                              How about an mtmw with the anarchy woofer? I don't know how much box it needs but that would be cool on a desktop.
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