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  1. #1

    Default EV Eliminator i Double


    Looking for replacement 15" woofers and drivers for my EV Eliminator i Doubles (700W)or a recone shop that is in California or not to far away.

    Also, need some cross overs for my custom cab's that will handle 1,100 watts RMS... Inductors should be at least 8 or 10 AWG... My customs have Selenium 15SWS1100 15" 1,100W Subs, and Eminance EMD-2002-0085 drivers fitted to 15x5" PVC horns... I would like to find a higher watt Selenium driver to replace the current drivers.

    I'm using twin Crown CE4000's to drive my cab's... Funny, the EV's didn't last a month while my customs did! Customs use to have 15" Dayton's before I replaced them with the Selenium's! Lol...

    And hey, got a great deal on the 15" Selenium's from Parts Express...

    Any help would be greatly appreciated! Really just looking to beef up the EV's and find a high power (1,000W+RMS) cross over (2-way) for my custom's.

    Please respond to <A HREF="mailto:whaase8838@aol.com">whaase8838@aol.co m</A>

    P.S. - Did write a "Nasty-Gram" to Electro Voice's Public Relations Dept.... No responce... Go figure!

    Their (EV) cross overs come with fuse protection, but it doesn't work... Blew up both cab's... That's 4 15" and both drivers without any damage to cross overs or fuses... Should have gone with the JBL's...

    Or, if I win the Lotto, I'll buy all Selenium's to replace them... Hahahaha! I do love the Selenium's... Built like a tank! Think I'll repace two of my 200W Sony HES (Home Entertainment System) speakers with Selenium replacement speakers. Sony's are so week...

    Bottom line... I just need a bit of help with the EV's and some cross overs that will handle the power requirements I desire for both the customs and EV's... AND, some protection that really works!

    And, I'd like to thank Parts Express for their timely delivery and ease of ordering! Great going guy's! Truely a customer care experience!

    Yours,

    Walter Haase
    <A HREF="mailto:Whaase8838@aol.com">Whaase8838@aol.co m</A>

    Anyway, looking forward to responces to this post!

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    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    > Looking for replacement 15" woofers and
    > drivers for my EV Eliminator i Doubles
    > (700W)or a recone shop that is in California
    > or not to far away.

    <A HREF="http://www.speakerrepair.com/">http://www.speakerrepair.com/</A>

    Close to Orange County?

    NK

  3. #3

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    > <A HREF="http://www.speakerrepair.com/">http://www.speakerrepair.com/</A> Close to
    > Orange County?

    > NK

    Riverside... 951-360-7525 I am interested in fixing these, but want them beefed up!

    Walter

  4. #4

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    > <A HREF="http://www.speakerrepair.com/">http://www.speakerrepair.com/</A> Close to
    > Orange County?

    > NK

    Nick

    Checked out your Web site... My cones are good,lookes more like the voice coils are fried... Can you fix them? And if so, how much?

    Walter.

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    Default Not me!


    Not my site, I just know that they do good work, I'm all the way across the country, PA...

    Good luck

    NK

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    Default Lose the passive


    Passive crossovers aren't a viable option above 500 watts or below 500 Hz.

  7. #7

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    The voice coil thing worries me... Were you clipping the amps? Maybe you should consider a good compressor/limiter in the chain...

  8. #8

    Default Re: Lose the passive


    > Passive crossovers aren't a viable option
    > above 500 watts or below 500 Hz.

    I have also had my customers blow up EV 1000w
    18"s EVX 180B's I did have to install a limiter,
    I would send them to EV they will recone them
    for free (or they did for me) then sell them
    and get some 18Sound, Caire, or I have heard
    good things about the peavy!?!? low riders.
    good luck finding a 1000w coil, active is
    the way to go. North Creek make 10ga coils
    but they are super pricey way more than
    a active cross-over and I think they stoped
    selling to the genral public!! I say get some
    Caire sw15's from usspeaker and a ashley
    active cross over, or alot of pe folks
    recomend behringer stuff. best of luck, N



  9. #9

    Default Re: Either that, or...


    I understand some outfit called BFD designs some truly kewl pro-sound speaks... Including the kinda bass bins that rearrange the haircuts on the first 10 rows...



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    Default Re: Either that, or...


    Don't blame EV, they make some of the best drivers in the business. However, lower end EVs are primarily live sound oriented and don't perform all that well below 50 Hz. They do make cabs that will work in true subwoofer usage, but not at the price point being discussed here. I'm just assuming these were in DJ usage, but I don't see them blowing otherwise unless severely abused.

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    Default 1200W on a 600W speaker ?


    The AES power rating on the EV Eliminator i Double is 600W, the Crown CE4000 is rated at 1.2KW, do you see a problem?

    AES is also short term power, long term (more than 2 hours) is about half.

    Beef it up?

    It's only got a 2-1/2" voice coil, the limits are the temperature at which the insulation and adhesives burn vs the surface area of the parts in the magnet structure that re-radiate the heat. I've seen the 600W rated JBL VGC series with 4" voice-coils burn with an amplifier with a built-in limiter that only put out half the power your Crown does.

    You need to go horn-loaded for your mids, use a 2" throat compression driver up top, and tri-amp.


    (Originally posted by: djk)

  12. #12

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    > Looking for replacement 15" woofers and
    > drivers for my EV Eliminator i Doubles
    > (700W)or a recone shop that is in California
    > or not to far away.

    > Also, need some cross overs for my custom
    > cab's that will handle 1,100 watts RMS...
    > Inductors should be at least 8 or 10 AWG...
    > My customs have Selenium 15SWS1100 15"
    > 1,100W Subs, and Eminance EMD-2002-0085
    > drivers fitted to 15x5" PVC horns... I
    > would like to find a higher watt Selenium
    > driver to replace the current drivers.

    > I'm using twin Crown CE4000's to drive my
    > cab's... Funny, the EV's didn't last a month
    > while my customs did! Customs use to have
    > 15" Dayton's before I replaced them
    > with the Selenium's! Lol...

    > And hey, got a great deal on the 15"
    > Selenium's from Parts Express...

    > Any help would be greatly appreciated!
    > Really just looking to beef up the EV's and
    > find a high power (1,000W+RMS) cross over
    > (2-way) for my custom's.

    > Please respond to <A HREF="mailto:whaase8838@aol.com">whaase8838@aol.co m</A> P.S.
    > - Did write a "Nasty-Gram" to
    > Electro Voice's Public Relations Dept.... No
    > responce... Go figure!

    > Their (EV) cross overs come with fuse
    > protection, but it doesn't work... Blew up
    > both cab's... That's 4 15" and both
    > drivers without any damage to cross overs or
    > fuses... Should have gone with the JBL's...

    > Or, if I win the Lotto, I'll buy all
    > Selenium's to replace them... Hahahaha! I do
    > love the Selenium's... Built like a tank!
    > Think I'll repace two of my 200W Sony HES
    > (Home Entertainment System) speakers with
    > Selenium replacement speakers. Sony's are so
    > week...

    > Bottom line... I just need a bit of help
    > with the EV's and some cross overs that will
    > handle the power requirements I desire for
    > both the customs and EV's... AND, some
    > protection that really works!

    > And, I'd like to thank Parts Express for
    > their timely delivery and ease of ordering!
    > Great going guy's! Truely a customer care
    > experience!

    > Yours,

    > Walter Haase
    > <A HREF="mailto:Whaase8838@aol.com">Whaase8838@aol.co m</A> Anyway, looking forward

    > to responces to this post!

    Oops I recomend a sub woofer I did not read
    your post right, I looks like you need 15's
    for a 2 way woofer- not sub woofer, if this is
    the case I highly recomend the beyma LX60 it
    sounds kinda like a TAD driver but can handle sicko-
    power I think its rated at 700 watts but
    they are very nice sounding and if you blow
    them up, I think you need to clean up your
    signal and run a active highpass and some
    18" subs I have had good luck with the
    18sound 1400's and the caire sw18 is sick!


  13. #13

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    > The voice coil thing worries me... Were you
    > clipping the amps? Maybe you should consider
    > a good compressor/limiter in the chain...

    The Crowns have the ability to detect clipping...

  14. #14

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    Back in the day... As standard set up I would power 18" 600W JBLs with a QSC MX1500 bridged. Claimed spec of 1000W into 4 ohm. No problems...
    Most speakers (coils) will handle the higher power. As long as it is CLEAN. No clipped signal. With a clipped wave going to the coil, it is no longer linear. Speaker starts to push out, hits Xmax and hangs for the duration of the clipped signal, (coil heats up) speaker then starts to pull back in, hits Xmax in the (-) direction, hangs... Coil cooked before long.
    Point, more speakers are blown with less power than what they're rated at because the amp was pushed into clipping than speakers being run with more power than what they're rated at.

  15. #15

    Default Re: EV Eliminator i Double


    > Back in the day... As standard set up I
    > would power 18" 600W JBLs with a QSC
    > MX1500 bridged. Claimed spec of 1000W into 4
    > ohm. No problems...
    > Most speakers (coils) will handle the higher
    > power. As long as it is CLEAN. No clipped
    > signal. With a clipped wave going to the
    > coil, it is no longer linear. Speaker starts
    > to push out, hits Xmax and hangs for the
    > duration of the clipped signal, (coil heats
    > up) speaker then starts to pull back in,
    > hits Xmax in the (-) direction, hangs...
    > Coil cooked before long.
    > Point, more speakers are blown with less
    > power than what they're rated at because the
    > amp was pushed into clipping than speakers
    > being run with more power than what they're
    > rated at.

    I agree. another interesting point- limiters
    and low pass filters do not allways help
    high temps in the coil. but in my experience
    subs are more prone to be destoryed with over-
    excursion- were limiters and hp filters do-
    help.

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