question for peerless xls

[dusty]

Hi,

I want to use the 10" peerless xls (830502) as a woofer in a three way cut at 200hz..... can any one with this peerless experience give me a comment... I do have a 2cf box built ... but I have no problem build another one and I don't care about port or seal .... I have skaaning 4" flex unit that I bought long time ago as mid... I will ask another w=questiion on tweeter when I settle the woofer.... the reason I ask about the xls is because might get them at discount on Ebay... Thanks!

First time post but come here everyday

Dusty

[Andy_G]

Hi,

I want to use the 10" peerless xls (830502) as a woofer in a three way cut at 200hz..... can any one with this peerless experience give me a comment... I do have a 2cf box built ... but I have no problem build another one and I don't care about port or seal .... I have skaaning 4" flex unit that I bought long time ago as mid... I will ask another w=questiion on tweeter when I settle the woofer.... the reason I ask about the xls is because might get them at discount on Ebay... Thanks!

First time post but come here everyday

Dusty

The XLS are true sub-woofer drivers. I haven't used that paricular one, but I don't think using one up to 200Hz, then to a 4" will give very good bass and low mid sound. I'm guessing it would sound sort of wooly and imprecise.
The Skanning deserves better. IMO, not a good idea at all.

Far better to go to one of the SLS or some other bass driver that is not design solely for sub work.

[ajinfla]

Yes, the XLS 10 is usable to 200hz, though I would not use it above this. The trouble might be with using such a small mid down to 200hz. If you HP steep and your SPL requirements are modest, you should be ok. A 2ft3 sealed cabinet will work just fine.

cheers,

AJ

[Andy_G]

the XLS 10 is usable to 200hz

Interesting.. anyone I have seen use any of the 10" XLS has gone to great pains to push the low x-o point down to 120, steep. eg SL's Orion, JohnK's NaO.

Could you please point me to a speaker design that uses a 10" xls crossed at 200. ??

[philiparcario]

Hi,

I want to use the 10" peerless xls (830502) as a woofer in a three way cut at 200hz..... can any one with this peerless experience give me a comment... I do have a 2cf box built ... but I have no problem build another one and I don't care about port or seal .... I have skaaning 4" flex unit that I bought long time ago as mid... I will ask another w=questiion on tweeter when I settle the woofer.... the reason I ask about the xls is because might get them at discount on Ebay... Thanks!

First time post but come here everyday

Dusty

I would consider the scanspeak 23w instead I have 3 two in use and one to be built. It can go close to 300hz see link for freq chart


http://www.madisound.com/catalog/PDF.../23w_4557t.pdf


it has its drawbacks it is costly it is not sensitive


plus side sounds great from 30hz to 300hz up to about 98db in a very small box

depends on what you want for volume

[ajinfla]

DO.. Try to get a listen somewhere before purchasing.
DO.. Listen to comments of people you trust and who have actually heard and listened.
I haven't used that paricular one
I'm guessing it would sound sort of wooly and imprecise.

cheers,

AJ

[Andy_G]

cheers,

AJ

I have tried once or twice to push other 10" and 12" xls drivers up above around 120...... and they sounded wooly and imprecise.

SO..
Could you please point me to a speaker design that uses a 10" xls crossed at 200. ??

[ajinfla]

I have tried once or twice to push other 10" and 12" xls drivers and they sounded wooly and imprecise.
I haven't used that paricular one.
DO.. Try to get a listen somewhere before purchasing.
DO.. Listen to comments of people who have actually heard and listened.

I have tried once or twice to push other 10" and 12" xls drivers up above around 120...... and they sounded wooly and imprecise.

Did you blame the driver, or the designer/pusher?

cheers,

AJ

[Andy_G]

Did you blame the driver, or the designer/pusher?

cheers,

AJ

I repeat ;
Could you please point me to a speaker design that uses a 10" xls crossed at 200. ??

you have made a statement, now back it up.

[dusty]

Thank you guy for the input... base on the comments, I will not use this design and I will look for another one... I always like the bass of the Scanspeak.... however... they are too expensive... my wife will make me sleep in the garage with them ... I don't mind but its too cold now.... I bought these skaaning few year agao and they are about half of the price list at Solen now...

maybe I will go with the SEAS H1305.... still a little expensive... or maybe the aurum MK2 or SB accoutic ... would you guy give me some comment about these...

I afraid SB accoustic do not have the SPL as they advertise... I remember I read some comment about it..

again thanks!

[Cinemadesigner X]

Well the tangle of words there did you great diservice.

I agree in not using the Peerless up to 200 hz, but the Skaaning is so strong that I would make 2 powered subwoofers (which I have done) with the peerless and make a two way sealed box for the Skaaning.

You can always add an eq or device like the BSS Omnidrive or Behringer DCX to handle crossover and delay duties between subs and sats. But you might be fortunate to be able to match the slopes with the subs crossover

If I can use the Dayton 5" in this fashion for a home theater system in a 16x24x9 room, my experience with the skaanings and my system tells me you will have no trouble make a stellar system with these components. The sub amplifier will cost only a few dollars more than the passive crossover and increase the sensitivity of the system overall.

[critofur]

I got a couple of those Peerless subs, looked like too good a deal to pass up, with the weather warming up here, I should have them in some kind of a box to listen too soon after they arrive.

What if Horton couldn't hear the Hoo's double blind? .

Horton would have an easier time hearing the hoos, in a controlled setting where he was switching back and forth between hoos and no hoos and trying to discern if there was a difference.

[Andy_G]

It was really only the 200Hz x-o point I was concerned about.

Now if someone who knows something about the Skannings thinks that they can operate comfortably down to, say, a 120Hz x-o point, then it becomes a different ball game Must be one pretty solid little 4" driver !!!

[Cinemadesigner X]

Horton would have an easier time hearing the hoos, in a controlled setting where he was switching back and forth between hoos and no hoos and trying to discern if there was a difference.[/QUOTE]

Oh but the horrible pressure of being tested, can do terrible things to ones abilities of perception


Andy G, friends of mine came to the Skaaning Rule sometime ago, If its a 4" it will perform like everyone elses 5, if its a 7" it will work like everyone else 8" etc. Its over simplified but if he has the 4" that has an FS of 72 3mm Xmax it should work just fine in a sealed box that rolls it off around 85hz and he doesnt require 110dB+ SPL's.

[ajinfla]

Thank you guy for the input... base on the comments, I will not use this design and I will look for another one... I always like the bass of the Scanspeak.... however... they are too expensive... my wife will make me sleep in the garage with them ... I don't mind but its too cold now.... I bought these skaaning few year agao and they are about half of the price list at Solen now...

maybe I will go with the SEAS H1305.... still a little expensive... or maybe the aurum MK2 or SB accoutic ... would you guy give me some comment about these...

I afraid SB accoustic do not have the SPL as they advertise... I remember I read some comment about it..

again thanks!

Dusty,

You could use the XLS10 at your suggested 200hz, but the small Flex mid would be better served high passed at a higher frequency, again, unless your SPL goals are moderate. You cannot change the 96cm2 Sd (irregardless of others opinions/poetry) and you most certainly do not want your midrange driver anywhere near it's 4mm Xmax at modest peak SPL levels.
You haven't mentioned one critical aspect. Is the (sub)woofer going to be passively crossed? Or driven actively?

cheers,

AJ

[johnk...]

Hi,

I want to use the 10" peerless xls (830502) as a woofer in a three way cut at 200hz..... can any one with this peerless experience give me a comment... I do have a 2cf box built ... but I have no problem build another one and I don't care about port or seal .... I have skaaning 4" flex unit that I bought long time ago as mid... I will ask another w=questiion on tweeter when I settle the woofer.... the reason I ask about the xls is because might get them at discount on Ebay... Thanks!

First time post but come here everyday

Dusty

I would go with the earlier suggestion. Use the 10 SLS woofer in your 2 ft^3 sealed box and cross at 300 Hz. Then use a single XLS as indented, a subwoofer in a 1 ft^3 sealed box with 6dB bass boost at 30 Hz, to augment the deep bass. Probably cost about the same as 2 XLS and the performance would be superior.

[critofur]

At less than $90 each the price for those XLS subs (the deal on ebay) is awesome compared to other shops online, and, the Peerless SLS 10 woofers are only about $50 each at Madisound.

I ordered 2 (out of the 4, there are still 2 left as of 10 minutes ago when I looked) of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/PEERLESS-XLS-830...ers_Subwoofers and my friend that I did some computer work for is giving me a pair of the Peerless SLS-10 woofers (bought them from Madisound for me).

I'm thinking to use the XLS with plate amps and the SLS woofers passive as the bottom of 3-ways.