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    Default Cheap XO PC Boards

    Does anyone know where i can find some cheap pc boards im thinking of building the Dayton 3 MTM crossovers.


    Thanks

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    I have used both of these pc board fabricators:

    http://www.4pcb.com/

    http://www.expresspcb.com/

    They both have free software that you can download. They will make double sided prototype boards for around $50. After desiging the board, the software uploads the design to thier servers and they fabricate the boards from the files. A credit card is required to pay when ordering.

    Dan

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    I have some 4 mm marine plywood leftover from a project. CHEAP!

    If you arrange your components strategically component leads can be directly soldered together through holes drilled in the board. Minimal jumpers are required.

    Unless the XOs are visible, I don't see any reason to make them too pretty

    Hal H

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    Plywood works, although I tend to use 1/8 inch perforated masonite (peg board) if it's available. You can use hot glue and wire ties for holding things in place, with heavy gauge solid copper wire or tinned stranded wire for "Bus Bars."
    Point-to-point wiring is not only the mark of a Custom/High-End product, but allows for easy upgrades and modifications with minimum downtime. Let's face it, PC Boards are for mass produced products and other than an active crossover, are really of very little utility. PC boards encourage compact grouping of components, which in the case of inductors is not the ideal situation in any case.

    If you are using a two way parallel crossover you might want to use two separate boards, with one for the treble and the other for your mid/bass drivers and mount them some distance apart. Series crossovers are a bit different, but that's probably not what you're planning on using anyway.

    Best Regards,
    TerryO

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    Quote Originally Posted by AudioFreakca View Post
    Does anyone know where i can find some cheap pc boards im thinking of building the Dayton 3 MTM crossovers.


    Thanks
    Here's an example:




    and the thread with lots of pictures for inspiration:

    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...physical+xover

    Have fun!
    Wolf
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    "We don't just make a crossover, we make a statement!" - Lawrence Fishburne for Cadillac

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    If you really want to keep it simple, there's nothing wrong with good old cardboard and hot glue... electrons aren't too picky about aesthetics.
    Form does not follow function
    Form is simultaneous to function

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    Quote Originally Posted by terryo View Post
    Plywood works, although I tend to use 1/8 inch perforated masonite (peg board) if it's available. You can use hot glue and wire ties for holding things in place, with heavy gauge solid copper wire or tinned stranded wire for "Bus Bars."
    Point-to-point wiring is not only the mark of a Custom/High-End product, but allows for easy upgrades and modifications with minimum downtime. Let's face it, PC Boards are for mass produced products and other than an active crossover, are really of very little utility. PC boards encourage compact grouping of components, which in the case of inductors is not the ideal situation in any case.
    +1

    Pegboard + zip ties and you're good to go! Honestly, building a XO is not nearly as difficult as it seems. In fact, it's one of the most enjoyable parts of the build--for me anyway. For understanding how to read a schematic, there's no beating Curt's nodal analysis, and for the actual construction, Wayne's guidelines are great.
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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    I etch my own. It is fairly easy and cheaper than the online services.

    madisound also sells a couple different generic XO boards including a matrix type that can be adapted for almost any layout.

    Regards,

    Dennis

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    Go to THE SHACK! They have a couple different sizes. A few bucks.
    If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me?

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    I just found some at radio shack (thanks Kid) http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2102862 would these work?

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    Quote Originally Posted by AudioFreakca View Post
    I just found some at radio shack (thanks Kid) http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2102862 would these work?
    That's what I use. The ones with the 0.062# holes are the best - will fit even the larger inductor leads without any drilling. Push all the component leads through the holes, wire up on the backside, solder, add tie wraps to the heavy components, test, and finally hot glue.

    Louis

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    For inside, I use spare pieces of MDF. Drill holes and glue where appropriate.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    Here are some pretty reasonably priced generic XO boards. Pretty good variety of sizes, too.

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    An alternative is island pad style PCB. For a small run,
    you could use wood paddle hole drill bits instead
    of the diamond bit mentioned in the link below.

    http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/P...ad_Prototyping

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    Default Brief Hijack

    Why the ceramic cap Wolf?


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Here's an example:




    and the thread with lots of pictures for inspiration:

    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...physical+xover

    Have fun!
    Wolf

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    Default Re: Brief Hijack

    My last crossover used no board at all. I made separate units for the woofers and tweeter. I attached the caps and resistors to the inductor, then velcroed the inductors to the cabinet walls. This required two separate runs from the terminal cups, but the crossovers are easily removed and modified. Obviously this only works for relatively simple crossovers....

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    Default Re: Cheap XO PC Boards

    cardboard and a hot glue gun

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    Default Re: Brief Hijack

    Quote Originally Posted by maynardg View Post
    Why the ceramic cap Wolf?
    What ceramic cap? The little part you are referring to is a polyswitch protection device for the tweeter.
    Later,
    Wolf
    "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
    "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
    "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
    "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith
    "We don't just make a crossover, we make a statement!" - Lawrence Fishburne for Cadillac

    *InDIYana 2013 event*

    Photobucket pages:
    http://photobucket.com/Wolf-Speakers_and_more

    My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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