VASYACHKIN is now a rocket scientist

[killerkowalczyk]

This guy is absolutely off his rocker, see below:

Jet Powered Accident Avoidance
by Troll on Tue May 26, 2009 5:10 am

Imagine for a moment that you have a Porsche. Imagine also that you have a son who has an alcohol abuse problem. One Saturday night at 4 AM in the morning as he is taking a corner at 100 miles per hour your Porsche finds itself ON ICE.

The car needs at least 0.8G lateral acceleration to take that particular corner but there is only 0.3G available from the particular road condition and no amount of electronics will help the car "make it". Just outside there are trees 1 foot in diameter which will turn your car and the driver into confetti upon impact.

A scenario like this is not at all improbable. What technology do we presently have available in cars which could sort such a situation out ? NONE.

Now mount a few jet engines around the perimeter of the car ( except the back ). Have the engines designed to develop maximum thrust for only a few seconds. Have these engines controlled by the same computer that handles dynamic stability control.

Also mount radar/sonar and image recognition equipment in the car which will judge the probability of a high speed collision. If the onboard computer determines that not only is the car unable to follow the input from the steering wheel but that also a high-speed collision is imminent it will engage the Jet engines to provide, as needed up to about 1.5G of additional acceleration ( any more and you will fly out of your seat ) in the direction required until the car is able to follow steering wheel input EVEN IF THERE IS NO CONTACT WITH THE PAVEMENT WHATSOEVER.

In other words even if your car is 6 feet above the ground it is still going to be able to take the corner as if it had twice the grip as its tires can possibly provide even on dry pavement.

The system, like an airbag, will only work ONCE but it will not only save the lives of the driver and passengers but also save the car and the trees You will simply replace the one-time-use Jet engines to restore the protection.

The same technology will be used to enable your car to stop faster in a straight line. You would be able to go form 60 mph to fully stopped in less than a second without passing out. If needed you will be able to stop EVEN FASTER however you will pass out from deceleration and your airbag will deploy to keep your head from getting ripped off by the Jet braking. In this scenario you would be able to stop from 60 mph in just one half a second and you would only need about the length of one car to come to a complete stop.

Of course sky is the limit ( literally ) to how far you can take this. You may even design a system that will catapult the car 6 feet upwards as it is braking so that the cars behind you ( which are unable to brake at the same rate ) do not ram your ***. With some tweaks it would also be able to protect you in case you drive off a cliff or fall off a bridge.

Needless to say such a system would not come cheap however it could be financed creatively. For example it could be provided for free but in the event it ends up being used your health and/or life insurance end up being charged.

An airbag and seat belt merely mitigate the consequences of an accident. Dynamic stability and traction control can help prevent or avoid an accident but at best only have a measly 1.0G or so worth of acceleration ( limited by tire grip ) to work with. A Jet Engine based system would only be limited by the kind of deceleration the driver himself can sustain.

If somebody proposed to install Airbags into cars a hundred years ago he would be laughed at. In the future the kind of system I describe may very well become as ubiquitous as the airbag is today.

[maynardg]

Why bring Vas to the board again?

[lunchmoney]

Why bring Vas to the board again?

+1

[killerkowalczyk]

I thought everyone could use a laugh or two.

Why bring Vas to the board again?

[jclin4]

The scope of his delusions is actually freightening.

[djg]

He was doing fine over at AVS forum last time I noticed.

[nick29498141]

Lock this thread, please.

NK

[johnpastuck]

Whats wrong with a little imagination. Without it we would never get anywhere.

John

[Pete Schumacher ®]

Whats wrong with a little imagination. Without it we would never get anywhere.

John

I found it quite funny. One time jets to avoid collision on slippery surfaces?

What about the jet blast in the face of a pedestrian in the vicinity? If you have a jet with enough force to keep a car moving around the corner, that jet would send a person flying many yards to unknown consequences.

Imaginative, but not fully thought through.

Still, like you said John, without crazy ideas, the good ones would sound crazy.

[critofur]

Lock this thread, please.

NK

Only because people will say unkind things about somebody who's not here to defend himself.

It's not a bad idea (the jet engines) - IF they can be safe and compact enough. The problem is, 99% of the time they would just be excess weight and space being taken up.

Of course, a car that actually used lateral thrust from small jet engines for navigation could be an exciting vehicle to drive. You could use re-directable nozzles similar to in Harrier fighter jets - but - stability would be an issue.

[philiparcario]

Only because people will say unkind things about somebody who's not here to defend himself.

It's not a bad idea (the jet engines) - IF they can be safe and compact enough. The problem is, 99% of the time they would just be excess weight and space being taken up.

Of course, a car that actually used lateral thrust from small jet engines for navigation could be an exciting vehicle to drive. You could use re-directable nozzles similar to in Harrier fighter jets - but - stability would be an issue.

I agree the idea could work. I would think when someone first talked about air bags he was laughed at. Now airbags are standard. of course instead of rockets how about bursts of air? Hey vas can we patent it as a joint venture.

[the kid]

1. the global warming groupies would never accept it
2. those puppies would have to employ, read & compensate in milli-milli seconds.
3. Lose the son before he can wreck the car.

Why not some biggie air bags for the outside of the car? May produce more of a giant bumper-car effect. Without burning the faces off of pedestrians.

Anyone seen Demolition Man? At one point Stallone is careening up & off the road and heading towards effectively a head-on crash. The onboard system sees this in time and fills the car with immediate quick-hardening foam resulting in 'packaging' Stallone inside like a giant canolli.

[romanbednarek]

1. the global warming groupies would never accept it
2. those puppies would have to employ, read & compensate in milli-milli seconds.
3. Lose the son before he can wreck the car.

Why not some biggie air bags for the outside of the car? May produce more of a giant bumper-car effect. Without burning the faces off of pedestrians.

Anyone seen Demolition Man? At one point Stallone is careening up & off the road and heading towards effectively a head-on crash. The onboard system sees this in time and fills the car with immediate quick-hardening foam resulting in 'packaging' Stallone inside like a giant canolli.

I love that movie........




...but seriously. Do we really need systems that make us feel more comfortable to push the limits of our vehicles regardless of the conditions???? When I read that post the first thing that I thought of was, "it would be much easier to save lives if the car prevented the idiot from driving recklessly! (or driving at all)"

This reminds me of the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 10 that my older (late 50's) buddy owned for less than a year. One of his hobbies is ice racing and he is both an engineer and mechanic. He spent $40k for the EVO 10 (but he uses a different car for ice racing, he's not stupid). He only had it for a few months when, ironically, it was a lady running a red light that caused enough damage to total the car (based on many factors including the price of and lack of parts for that rare model). Anyway, he said that he didn't miss the car that much because he didn't like the fact that it had so many stability and handling features that he didn't feel like he had full control of the car and while it did handle and corner very well, it was very difficult to push it past that limit. I feel that this can give the driver a sense of control and confidence that the car can go much faster than others around corners, however it also means that anybody pushing the car beyond that limit was in for a horrifying high-speed accident.