Measurements on another Behringer monitor

[dantheman]

Measurements on the 1030A:
0-90 degrees in 11.25 degree steps:


Toward woofer 0-22.5 degrees in 11.25 degree steps:

Toward tweeter 0-45 degrees in 11.25 degree steps:




Dan

[Zilch]

Edit providing the angular ranges and increments, please....

[Face]

Déjà vu.

[dantheman]

Nah, not here Face. This one is being sent back to the owner today if anyone wants to see anything else, speak now....

Dan

[dantheman]

A bookshelf shootout that includes another small Behringer:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...f-2009-results

Looks like these things aren't too bad even subjectively. It's kind of a shame that I feel the company is dirty b/c many of their monitors look so much like other monitors. Still, it's good to know you can have good sound even if you are nearly broke.

Dan

[Deward Hastings]

It's kind of a shame that I feel the company is dirty b/c many of their monitors look so much like other monitors.

What other company's monitors look like the Behringer 2030A, and do you really believe that makes those other companies "dirty"?

Last I looked almost all small two-way monitors looked almost alike . . . are they *all* "dirty"?

[Ray Tremblay]

What other company's monitors look like the Behringer 2030A, and do you really believe that makes those other companies "dirty"?

Last I looked almost all small two-way monitors looked almost alike . . . are they *all* "dirty"?

Deward,

back when Behringer introduced the Truth monitors (sometime around 2000), they were damn near an exact rip off of the Mackie active monitors. Back then, nothing looked even remotely close to the Mackie's.

[Deward Hastings]

back when Behringer introduced the Truth monitors (sometime around 2000), they were damn near an exact rip off of the Mackie active monitors.

Which Mackie's? I don't recall a Mackie monitor with slit ports on either side of the tweeter waveguide . . .

[dantheman]

Look at Mackie's new MR series and Behringer's new 1030A. Then look at old Mackie monitors and the 2030 series. The resemblance is striking. The ports on the side look more like old Genelec's.

Dan

[Deward Hastings]

Look at Mackie's new MR series and Behringer's new 1030A.

Who's "copying" who ? ? ?

Then look at old Mackie monitors and the 2030 series. The resemblance is striking. The ports on the side look more like old Genelec's.

Exactly my point . . . they all share common features, a tweeter in a waveguide over a mid-woofer, and have different features, like port location and finish. The Behringer *does* look more like a Genelec than a Mackie in some ways, and more like a Tannoy in others, but it really depends on which trivial detail you are looking at. Are we to judge the "similarity" of speakers by whether the box has "squared off" corners or is "rounded", or is glossy or flat black?

How would you go about making a two-way monitor with a waveguide tweeter look "different" from the others ? ? ?

[WmAx]

One big difference with the Behringer, is that on the B2030P and B2031P(and active versions of these as well), the waveguide is used to widen tweeter dispersion, not narrow it, like most other waveguide applications.

-Chris

[dantheman]

Mackie has an MR8 as well. Soon Behringer will have one too called the 1031A. Of course it won't be a complete rip off. Behringer will actually have some upgraded parts in it--Kevlar cone and probably cast frame. The resemblance is striking, though they are not identical twins. That's what I'm saying.
Original HR824:


B2031

Seeing these 2 side by side in person is what made me think there might be some heavy borrowing going on. The height was exact and the other dimensions darn close if not. Even the wood grain looked the same. The Mackie had passive radiators where the Behringer had port, but other than that.... You decide for yourself. As far as performance goes, Behringer has nothing to be ashamed of. Had they put those ports on the back like they do on the 1030A, I'm not sure which would be better sounding. After spending a few days with a Mackie HR624 mkII and the Behringer B1030A, I can tell you the Behringer in many respects holds its own at less that 1/4 the cost. Yes the Mackie has better bass, slightly smoother response and holds up at high volumes, but the Behringer Has a wider vertical window, a more broad horizontal dispersion, a smoother top octave. So it's not a complete floor mopping by any stretch and with the cost difference it should be. If you can't get a good mix from the Behringers, it's not the monitor's fault. You'll have to turn down the bass on the Mackie to get a mix that translates well on to a system with a flat response. Being that Mackie monitors are so popular in recording studios, makes me wonder if that's why I have always like a touch of bass boost in all my systems.

Dan

[dantheman]

Chris, look at how wide the 1030A response is. Much wider than the 2031 until the top octave. To me that top octave matters very little in the final sound of the speaker. I bet most others would say the same if they'd hear and measure what I have recently.

Dan

[WmAx]

Chris, look at how wide the 1030A response is. Much wider than the 2031 until the top octave. To me that top octave matters very little in the final sound of the speaker. I bet most others would say the same if they'd hear and measure what I have recently.

Dan

The effect of treble dispersion is very dependent on the room, and for ideal contribution, the full audible treble band should usually extend out to +/- 75d, basing this on typical toe-in angle vs. the wall and vector path to listener. But for the near-field use typical for these studio monitors, the wide dispersion is completely irrelevant, of course.

Here is the horizontal response set for the B2031P; it has very similar amplitude and response out to +/- 60d, through the entire audible bandwidth. Even at +- 75d, it's very good, but amplitude is starting to drop at a higher rate at this angle:


-Chris

[dantheman]

Chris, see my comments in the Mackie thread. The 2030 does look great.

Dan

[klocwerk]

I've been going back and forth, and I'm still indecisive on building a set of Aviatrix's or just picking up the 2031p's and calling it a day. (Movies and music in roughly equal proportions, active sub.)
The Aviatrix's would look nicer and cost more, but other than that...? Bang for buck seems to be with the Behringers even though I don't want it to be.
Any advice?

[dantheman]

How much do the Aviatrix cost and what's their graphs look like: polar, power, efficiency, bass, etc...? Then how much do you enjoy woodworking and having your hand more deeply into your system? Remember that with the Behringer, you'll still need stands. The ones I bought cost nearly as much as the speakers.

Chris, can you show the impulse response for that 2030 and where did you set the gate?

Thanks,

Dan

[Thomas Brown]

The ACID i took sure makes these pretty pictures "SOUND" so much better..
swirly!!!