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    Thumbs up Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Just got done veneering another set of C-Killas today. I used Titan DX Contact Cement from VeneerSupplies.com

    Gotta say I'm impressed, one coat, 20 minutes dry time, great coverage, nice tight edges. Solid bond. Excess comes right off. I never liked the typical water based CC. While it's recommended only for backed veneers, I couldn't imagine it getting any easier than this.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Thanks Lou for the info. I will try this for my next CC application.
    Craig

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by LouC View Post
    While it's recommended only for backed veneers, I couldn't imagine it getting any easier than this.
    Did you use it on a backed veneer?

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    I second this. I used this waterbased contact cement for my first effort veneering and it worked fantastic (though mine took significantly longer to set up, as I was under the recommended temperature). However, while mine took longer to set up it worked very smoothly and made my first experience with veneering very satisfying.

    I used paperback veneer, the Titan DX waterbased CC, as well as a glue roller and veneer scraper from veneersupplies. This seems like an excellent product, though I say that without experience using others. Sometimes you just like the first thing you try though!

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by pypes View Post
    .... Sometimes you just like the first thing you try though!
    If at first you succeed... well, just smile and repeat.
    If it ain't broke....

    Thanks Lou, I read great things about this and it's top on my list of things to try if I get tired of ironing...

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Has anyone used a product like this with vinyl wrapping? I have some of the PE vinyl, but the adhesive is terrible on it and I am no longer using it for anything because of that.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by PWR RYD View Post
    Thanks Lou for the info. I will try this for my next CC application.
    I always do. The extra time & effort for unbacked veneer simply isn't worth it for me. Others have a different set of values. Exotics and burls are certainly "cheaper" than backed veneers, but in my experience, it's a lot more time consuming and you need to allow for a lot more waste -- and a lot easier to screw up.
    Lou's Speaker Site [speakers.lonesaguaro.com]
    "Different" is objective, "better" is subjective. Taste is not a provable fact.
    Where are you John Galt? I may not be worthy, but I'm ready.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    You might email Joe Woodworker & ask. It looks like a liquid latex based product. (Never really gets to a "no tacky" state so it looks like it might.
    Lou's Speaker Site [speakers.lonesaguaro.com]
    "Different" is objective, "better" is subjective. Taste is not a provable fact.
    Where are you John Galt? I may not be worthy, but I'm ready.

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    What a strange coincedence - I was just on his web site yesterday looking at that very product. I was debating paper backed veneer or the 3M PSA option that he has available.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Lou,

    When using the contact cement method, do you have the opportunity to adjust/perfect the placement of the veneer on the substrate, if you place it on the surface lightly (i.e. before pressing down), or does it adhere immediately, even with light contact?

    Also, did you use the scraper tool?



    Cheers,
    - John

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by LouC View Post
    Just got done veneering another set of C-Killas today. I used Titan DX Contact Cement from VeneerSupplies.com

    Gotta say I'm impressed, one coat, 20 minutes dry time, great coverage, nice tight edges. Solid bond. Excess comes right off. I never liked the typical water based CC. While it's recommended only for backed veneers, I couldn't imagine it getting any easier than this.

    Hi Lou,

    Question for you. Since you have been using contact cement for veneer for quite some time now, how does it hold up over time? Any concerns with low/high temperature exposures?

    Regards,

    Rob

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Thanks Lou for the info, after getting stoned in my garage and coming out with less brain cells, and then the wife saying I stunk up the whole house, I need to try this product.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by jclin4 View Post
    Lou,

    When using the contact cement method, do you have the opportunity to adjust/perfect the placement of the veneer on the substrate, if you place it on the surface lightly (i.e. before pressing down), or does it adhere immediately, even with light contact?

    Also, did you use the scraper tool?



    Cheers,
    - John
    Once it makes contact it's pretty much stuck.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by theLinks View Post
    Thanks Lou for the info, after getting stoned in my garage and coming out with less brain cells, and then the wife saying I stunk up the whole house, I need to try this product.
    Yeah, I use this stuff in the kitchen; no smell at all. And when it's stuck, brother it is stuck. I missed by 1/8" on one piece. Pliers and all my might could not get it to pull off where it was stuck, just tore the veneer. Sanded it off to try again. Messed it up a second time, went to try Unibond and Better Bond cold press. Better Bond is good where you have a big or odd-shaped piece, though I wind up having to re-stick the corners. Went back to Titan DX for most stuff. Unibond? Not a fan.

    Accidentally got some Titan on the laminate counter. Let it dry, rubbed off like rubber cement. That's easy cleanup...

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by jclin4 View Post
    When using the contact cement method, do you have the opportunity to adjust/perfect the placement of the veneer on the substrate, if you place it on the surface lightly (i.e. before pressing down), or does it adhere immediately, even with light contact?
    Also, did you use the scraper tool?
    No chance to move once the pieces touch. Unlike regular CC, this stuff has a bit of tack to it even when dry, so wax paper is out. (I used pencils for alignment). With CC you need to leave more trim than with iron on anyway.

    I outline the substrate on the paper side of the veneer in pencil. Leave a half inch trim, and make sure the CC is applied at least a 1/4" past the pencil line. I align the long edge, then push the pieces together. If your off a bit you can still save it.

    I do have a a scraper tool similar to that one and use it. I also follow up with a sound pounding with a rubber head mallet before I trim.

    The big advantage over iron-on is time savings and no chance of burning the veneer. For giant towers, or where grain match is important, I'd probably still go with iron-on.
    Lou's Speaker Site [speakers.lonesaguaro.com]
    "Different" is objective, "better" is subjective. Taste is not a provable fact.
    Where are you John Galt? I may not be worthy, but I'm ready.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    pypes and Lou, thanks for the details on your method for applying the veneer.

    I've always done iron-on, and have had good results, but want to try different methods just for the fun of learning something new. But I guess I'll stick with iron-on for my current project which are towers and grain-matching is one goal.

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    How about cold press? Doesn't need a vacuum rig. Everyone seems to talk about CC or iron-on, but cold press gives me good results with less hassle than the other methods.

    [QUOTE=jclin4;1687366]but want to try different methods just for the fun of learning something new. QUOTE]

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    Hey Fastbike,

    Do you cold press your already assembled box, or cold press sheet goods and then construct them with miters?

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    I veneer the final box. Too many chances to ruin the surfaces during construction and don't need to worry about miters. I generally use biscuited b*tt joints. I understand the rabbet folks, but more operations and setup and less forgiving.

    I veneer one face on each speaker at a time. Depending on what else is going on, the clamps will stay on for several hours to overnight. Could probably go less clamp time but don't like to hurry at the end.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtmpenn View Post
    Hey Fastbike,

    Do you cold press your already assembled box, or cold press sheet goods and then construct them with miters?

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    Default Re: Props for a Great Contact Cement

    Quote Originally Posted by fastbike1 View Post
    How about cold press? Doesn't need a vacuum rig. Everyone seems to talk about CC or iron-on, but cold press gives me good results with less hassle than the other methods.
    Cold press sounds interesting. 8-10 minutes of open time before the glue sets, according to joe woodworker. Apart from positioning the veneer, can this time be used to roll or press out bubbles, before the platen in placed on top of the veneer?

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