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    Default MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Ed Rosenquist sent me some pictures of the first MiniByzy cabinet construction. So I thought I'd go ahead and start the build thread to document some of the steps Ed's taken to fashion the incredible cabinets we schemed up a few months back. He's mastered the pre-stressed panel construction technique, which results in fantastically strong enclosures. Being a guitar maker has its advantages as well.

    Sadly, these aren't for me, but gladly, I get to work on them and listen for a while. You can bet that DoubleTap will be giving his input as well, since he's the source for the Ushers. Should be real stunners when completed. Can't wait to see what hardwood Ed is going to cut the baffles from.

    Look familiar? The MiniByzy, 20" tall, 11" at the base, and 16" deep when baffle is applied. Rear mounted woofer and tweeter, with removable solid hardwood baffle with integral 7" waveguide carved into it. Ed says his choice of wood will wait until something moves him when he's in the hardwood store. That will dictate whether paint or veneer goes onto the body of the speaker.

    Tentative Driver compliment, Usher 8948A, RS28F. Vent on the bottom baffle. Epoxy/HDF sandwich, pre-stressed, curved panels for the sides, rear/top. Vinyl/aluminum damping on interior walls sealed in acoustic dampening paint. 2" Mineral wool acoustic panels on the sides, bottom and rear.

    Should be right up there with these $2800 Ushers.



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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Very, very, cool, Pete. I don't suppose such cabs will ever be available for DIYers. Any plan to build a matching sub?

    John

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by OlderMongrel View Post
    Very, very, cool, Pete. I don't suppose such cabs will ever be available for DIYers. Any plan to build a matching sub?

    John
    The matching sub comes included in the full size Byzantium . . .

    That is something to look into for sure. Complimenting that shape could be a real challenge as a bass bin.

    I'm not sure Ed's ready to make such cabinets available to the DIY'er just yet.


    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Whoa! I GOTTA clean the garage!!! At least I made the seasonal trip to take all the bottles and cans back Saturday!!!
    The Past is history. The Future is a mystery. Today is a gift; that's why its called the Present. (Grand Master Oogway, Kung Fu Panda)

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by D, Rose View Post
    Whoa! I GOTTA clean the garage!!! At least I made the seasonal trip to take all the bottles and cans back Saturday!!!
    Those are going to be sweet. I bet there will be a lot of "what was I thinking" moments.

    Dave

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by D, Rose View Post
    Whoa! I GOTTA clean the garage!!!
    Why?
    "guitar polygamy is a satisfying and socially acceptable alternative lifestyle."~Tony Woolley
    http://dtmblabber.blogspot.com/
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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Those should end up looking fabulous. I'm deliriously happy if I manage to end up with completely square cabinets!
    Paul

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by davepellegrene View Post
    Those are going to be sweet. I bet there will be a lot of "what was I thinking" moments.

    Dave
    You and Ed are quite the inspirational fabricators. It's amazing to me that this is perhaps Ed's 4th attempt at cabinet building (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm off by a mile). He's just a natural. Helps to have the right tools for the job, but he's got a mind for finding the simple way to reach the end goal.

    I'd love to show all you guys his jigs for those side panels . . . but then I'd have to shoot you.
    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Ed's making rapid progress. These will be amazingly strong/rigid cabinets. And he's got some nice plans for interior wall damping.

    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Sides getting glued to the bottom.

    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    How the heck were those side panels bent?
    Form does not follow function
    Form is simultaneous to function

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Very cool :-D Is that hardboard for the sides? Looks like the thin layers (1/16") were bent and laminated in the bent form, then cut.

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Wait 'til you see top/back on each cabinet. I'll be scratching my head bald asking how he does that.
    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Another update from Ed. Check out the Curly Narra block. He's going to be slicing that up into a pair of identical book matched 1.5" thick baffles.



    Really pretty curves on the top view. And check out the new toy!!!!

    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony G View Post
    Very cool :-D Is that hardboard for the sides? Looks like the thin layers (1/16") were bent and laminated in the bent form, then cut.
    Six, 1/8" HDF boards with epoxy in between each layer. Amazingly strong when cured. Panels are under a LOT of tension as they cure, resulting in a type of pre-stressed panel at the end. It's the hardest cabinet material I've ever encountered that wasn't marble or metal. Think, bowling ball, and you get an idea of how hard and stiff the result is.
    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Schumacher ® View Post
    Six, 1/8" HDF boards with epoxy in between each layer. Amazingly strong when cured. Panels are under a LOT of tension as they cure, resulting in a type of pre-stressed panel at the end. It's the hardest cabinet material I've ever encountered that wasn't marble or metal. Think, bowling ball, and you get an idea of how hard and stiff the result is.
    French developed this technique in the beginning of 20th century. Curved doors on Deco cabinets. They also used scoring which is not as good of a solution for a speaker wall. I 100 years old see panels that are laminated just as your friend did and they are in a great shape. It's really a good way of doing curved wall enclosure. I usually use vacuum set up. Is he clamping cold?

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by r-carpenter View Post
    French developed this technique in the beginning of 20th century. Curved doors on Deco cabinets. They also used scoring which is not as good of a solution for a speaker wall. I 100 years old see panels that are laminated just as your friend did and they are in a great shape. It's really a good way of doing curved wall enclosure. I usually use vacuum set up. Is he clamping cold?
    Simple clamps at the edges of the form, using the natural tendency of the panels to snap back to create all the pressure during the cure of the marine grade epoxy. There's a LOT of spring tension in those 6 panels. Ed lets them cure for at least 8 hours.
    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Nice!
    I do unibond, heat (about 165f) and vacuum for 4 hours. I also fabricate the "mother" for vacuum clamping.

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Progress continues rapidly. He's got the left side ready, and almost done on the right. You can clearly see the epoxy layers now that it's been sanded smooth.

    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio

    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 500W/ch PC for 2ch music.

    Schumakubin Plans
    DA175 x 4, RS28 2.5-way || Prisstina Plans DA175 x 4, RS52, ND20-6 || Schumakubin MKII 5 X DA175, RS28F, 3-way || L.O.K.I. Project WG 2.5way

    Fallback position || It's just the weather || The Sun controls climate? Well Duh!!! ||
    The Fraud Continues || Hoax

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    Default Re: MiniByzy (Mini Byzantium) Build Thread

    Woof!

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