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    Default Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    I've been playing around in excel, working on a tool to extract T/S from impedance data. Is this something of interest to people? Still a work in progress...

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Quote Originally Posted by rone View Post
    I've been playing around in excel, working on a tool to extract T/S from impedance data. Is this something of interest to people? Still a work in progress...
    very interesting

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    How about a wishlist, then?

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Quote Originally Posted by rone View Post
    I've been playing around in excel, working on a tool to extract T/S from impedance data. Is this something of interest to people? Still a work in progress...

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    I have one too. I posted this back in January, but no one responded to it, so I didn't take it much further.

    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...63#post1705463

    How did you choose to approximate Re, if I may ask. That was one of the things I had to give some thought to.

    Jeff

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Right now it is just a simple curve fit with a speaker workshop style model (series Le and Re with a parallel L-R combo) in front of the notch. I haven't done any testing - this is one of my one hour wonders at the moment - so I haven't run into any issues other than convergence. Rdc came out to within 0.07 of measured Rdc with the fit.

    "Re" is an issue because the impedance at Fs (ignoring the motional impedance) is not just Rdc as assumed in standard theory when ignoring inductance.

    I am currently exploring multiple methods of measuring T/S parameters and will be working on verifying the system identification process.

    I can't seem to follow your link, some issue with permissions.

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B. View Post
    I have one too. I posted this back in January, but no one responded to it, so I didn't take it much further.

    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...63#post1705463

    How did you choose to approximate Re, if I may ask. That was one of the things I had to give some thought to.

    Jeff
    That's why nobody saw it, Jeff- It's in the Beta-tester forum. I would like to have that spreadsheet in my arsenal for certain. I don't peruse that forum hardly at all, since it's inception and actual beta-testing.

    I knew you'd thought about it from other TT posts, but I wondered why I never saw anything...

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    Default Re: Here's a look at my Excel ZMA tool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    That's why nobody saw it, Jeff- It's in the Beta-tester forum. I would like to have that spreadsheet in my arsenal for certain. I don't peruse that forum hardly at all, since it's inception and actual beta-testing.

    I knew you'd thought about it from other TT posts, but I wondered why I never saw anything...

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    I took a day or so to set up the macro and spiff up the user interface. Here is a screen shot of my tool. You import the zma file and it automatically calculates the basic parameters. If you enter the Vas and the piston diameter it will calculate more advanced parameters. It also displays the file you imported, which can help keep thing straight.

    Is there anything else that this needs?


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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Your UI looks nice, Jeff! It would be nice if it showed the fit, though.

    I was planning on a tab for free air and tabs for delta mass and delta compliance to cross check parameter results from other programs.

    I was going to do full impedance workups for sealed and vented to generate estimates for Qa, Ql, Qp as well.

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Jeff, just testing my sheet, what does your sheet give for part number 296-616?

    I got:
    Fs 33.73
    Qms 2.774
    Qes 0.606
    Qts 0.497
    Re 6.1882
    Le 1.43E-04
    R2 4.4943
    L2 4.29E-04
    Res 28.3385
    Lces 0.0482
    Cmes 0.0005

    Speaker workshop gives:
    Fs 33.804
    Qms 2.812
    Qes 0.608
    Qts 0.500
    Re 6.141
    Le 1.00E-04
    R2 8.136
    L2 1.88E-04
    Res 28.41
    Lces 0.04756
    Cmes 0.000466

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    Default Re: Possible new tool to get T/S from *.zma

    Looks great, Jeff!
    Wolf
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