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  • #16
    Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

    Very cool. It could, however, be a little cooler with a little more effort against the baffle design, specifically, a careful rear-mount of the tweeter to bring the CTC spacing down. It looks like you could gain as much as a 2" shorter array, in the Stiff Breeze, which would help these be better in smaller rooms in particular.

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    • #17
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      Sorry it took so long to respond. I honestly didn't even realize these questions were out there.

      Who knows why the taggers are miffed? We use a bunch of PE components in these kits so I can't quite figure out the "hostility." And while it may not be DIY, it's certainly BIY (Build It Yourself).

      Originally posted by rhubarb9999 View Post
      Any update on these kits?
      Available now. We order the RAALS direct from Serbia when an order comes in, so there is a bit of delay waiting for arrival. If there's a need for quick turn around, we can order from Madisound but there's a premium charge for doing so.

      Originally posted by Ironman129 View Post
      Would it be possible on the Stiff Breeze to rotate the tweeter 90* lay it side for a center?
      Sure, why not? We did something similar with the Sundog. Check the Vapor website for pics. Any MTM is an iffy proposition as horizontal lobing does become an issue. But if you sit within 15 degrees of the design axis, there should be no trouble.

      Originally posted by badman View Post
      Very cool. It could, however, be a little cooler with a little more effort against the baffle design, specifically, a careful rear-mount of the tweeter to bring the CTC spacing down. It looks like you could gain as much as a 2" shorter array, in the Stiff Breeze, which would help these be better in smaller rooms in particular.
      A rear mount option would be very difficult. The design of the RAAL with its very thin faceplate is critical to the performance. Placing it behind the baffle (and the woofer frames) might buy you a couple inches overall, but that will only provide a small improvement of the lobing angles. The baffle is also glued to the cabinet making a rear mount option even more problematic. Then, there's the issue of creating a smooth transition from the recess to the baffle surface to minimize diffraction issues, which would tend to eat into the CTC again. As is, the baffle provides a very good compromise between time alignment, minimizing diffraction, and ease of mounting.

      We've used the Stiff Breeze in smaller rooms extensively, and they perform admirably.

      There will be a review of the Stiff Breeze by Terry London of Home Theater Review shortly.

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      • #18
        Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

        Hi, I'm in Sydney Australia & I'm very interested. Any chance of posting pics of the various components? Response plots would be great too. Have to replace my Paradigm Studio 20 v2s, am on a budget & by all accounts this would be a good step upwards. Thanks!

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        • #19
          Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

          Originally posted by houseofhits View Post
          Hi, I'm in Sydney Australia & I'm very interested. Any chance of posting pics of the various components? Response plots would be great too. Have to replace my Paradigm Studio 20 v2s, am on a budget & by all accounts this would be a good step upwards. Thanks!
          Sorry, should have mentioned that it's the Stiff Breeze kit I'm interested in.

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          • #20
            Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

            Originally posted by houseofhits View Post
            Sorry, should have mentioned that it's the Stiff Breeze kit I'm interested in.
            PM sent.
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            • #21
              Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

              I had an opportunity to listen to a pair of Breeze recently and my impressions are:

              Raal tweeter: Best tweeter I ever heard. It makes you notice the brightness and veiling of your current tweeters. It gives musical instruments a realism( piano, particularly) often obscured in typical speakers and is even better than several hard domes I have some experience with( JBL Titanium 035Tia and Infinity CMMD used in Perfect and Cascade series.

              Nice spectral balance even when you listen in another room!

              Nice organic bass: It has the warmth and definition of my Infinity Perfect 10.1(34 mm p-p) woofer, directly driven from amp and in a sealed cabinet. You really don’t need subwoofer with these monitors for musical sources.
              No listening fatigue at all. I attribute this to low coloration (same as even response and low distortion?)

              Overall, they really bring out the best in female vocals. I could not stop playing “A Woman’s Heart. A Decade On Blix Street Records” Eve Cassidy, Alison Krauss and Emmylou Harris each sounds beautiful and distinctly different. Yes, the rendition of “Where Have All the Flowers Gone” is just exquisite.



              I always like the sound of electrostatic speakers. I wish someone could develop a midrange ribbon to handle the all important 300-3000 Hz band (Bohlender Graebener has several planar drivers). This will bring the sound reproduction to the next level and add even more realism and transparency to the range covered by the cone midwoofer.

              Yes, I am interested in Breeze in kit form, especially with a higher sensitivity woofer. While the stock Wavecore woofer is good, I suspect I need a higher power stereo amplifier( I was using Yamaha RX-V659) to drive Breeze’s properly.

              Again I want to thank Pete Schumacher for giving me this exciting opportunity to listen to these speakers in my home.

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              • #22
                Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                Thanks for the write up George. And thanks for taking part in the tour. I'm thrilled you enjoyed your couple weeks with them.

                For higher sensitivity, we do have the Stiff Breeze kit. ;)
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                95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
                "Gravitational systems are the ashes of prior electrical systems.". - Hannes Alfven, Nobel Laureate, Plasma physicist.

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                • #23
                  Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                  how can i order one?????

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                  • #24
                    Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                    Originally posted by thisisvv View Post
                    how can i order one?????
                    send email to [email protected] and let me know which kit you'd like, Breeze or Stiff Breeze.
                    R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio
                    Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 8" 2-way - RS28A/B&C8BG51

                    95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
                    "Gravitational systems are the ashes of prior electrical systems.". - Hannes Alfven, Nobel Laureate, Plasma physicist.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                      Wish I had the money... or needed them. If I needed them, I would find the money. But I don't need them. I WANT them. I feel like Gollum.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                        Originally posted by mattfaske View Post
                        Wish I had the money... or needed them. If I needed them, I would find the money. But I don't need them. I WANT them. I feel like Gollum.
                        The set of Breeze on tour right now is coming back your way soon. If you'd like, I can add you to the tour stop.
                        R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio
                        Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 8" 2-way - RS28A/B&C8BG51

                        95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
                        "Gravitational systems are the ashes of prior electrical systems.". - Hannes Alfven, Nobel Laureate, Plasma physicist.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                          The set of Breeze on tour right now is coming back your way soon. If you'd like, I can add you to the tour stop.
                          Pete, are these going to make their way to the east coast at all?
                          -Kerry

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                          • #28
                            Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                            Originally posted by Navy Guy View Post
                            Pete, are these going to make their way to the east coast at all?
                            They're on the east coast as we type! Where are you?

                            Rules for the tour are that you become responsible for shipping to the next guy after a two week audition, and that you post a review either in this thread or over at Audio Circle.

                            Interested? If so, send me your full mailing address to [email protected]
                            R = h/(2*pi*m*c) and don't you forget it! || Periodic Table as redrawn by Marshall Freerks and Ignatius Schumacher || King Crimson Radio
                            Byzantium Project & Build Thread || MiniByzy Build Thread || 3 x Peerless 850439 HDS 3-way || 8" 2-way - RS28A/B&C8BG51

                            95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
                            "Gravitational systems are the ashes of prior electrical systems.". - Hannes Alfven, Nobel Laureate, Plasma physicist.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                              I would love to be included in the tour!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Vapor Breeze kits?

                                They're on the east coast as we type! Where are you?

                                Rules for the tour are that you become responsible for shipping to the next guy after a two week audition, and that you post a review either in this thread or over at Audio Circle.

                                Interested?
                                Im in Alexandria, VA. It's just across the river south of DC. I'm assuming they have packaging with them that can be re-used (to prevent damage from improper packaging) and it would just be the cost of the actual shipping? I would definitely be interested. We are doing an informal GTG at joeybutts' house on the 23rd of November. If I could get them before that, I could take them down and let the other 6-10 people listen as well. PM me with details on how this would all work out.
                                -Kerry

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