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  • dcibel
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    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    At this time no such option is planned. The option to do something like this isn't off the table, but we would need to see a stronger demand for the service, because there would be some effort involved in setting up a content protection scheme and distribution method for an access code to access the download.

    Parts Express does offer some shipping incentives; these might provide the best route to defraying the cost of shipping for the OmniMic DVD in the short run.
    Well it's $25 shipping on a $20 DVD to ship to Canada. I'm sorry but there's just no way I'm paying $50 for a DVD with some test sweeps to add some convenience. I hope that you are not offended if I create my own DVD from the sweeps that came with my Omnimic.

    IMO it should be a simpler task to provide a download service than to design, print and distribute DVD's, but maybe I am wrong here.

    I'd like to hear more about the shipping incentives for international customers. From my experience with PE the only incentive is that if I buy more stuff, the shipping cost goes down relative to cost of goods. For the most part it is less expensive for me to order Dayton products through Solen.

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  • RoryB@daytonaudio.com
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    Originally posted by oldbar View Post
    You are the closest to us expect Japan but I would not be the only one who lives overseas who will find the shipping for a $20 item very expensive. Does that mean there will be no download and burn option for overseas buyers?
    At this time no such option is planned. The option to do something like this isn't off the table, but we would need to see a stronger demand for the service, because there would be some effort involved in setting up a content protection scheme and distribution method for an access code to access the download.

    Parts Express does offer some shipping incentives; these might provide the best route to defraying the cost of shipping for the OmniMic DVD in the short run.

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  • oldbar
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    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    I'm familiar with FuzzMeasure, and I think it's a good measurement tool. However, if we publish or provide information meant to confirm or allow usability with another manufacturer's measurement product or process, that comes dangerously close to providing support for another manufacturer's product, which we (as Dayton Audio) cannot do. It usually has the effect of blowing the lid completely off a host of other third-party support questions that we don't have the time or resources to sort out.

    That being said, the Pseudo-Noise test signal works well with third-party RTA software because it is not as dependent on signal timing to provide results. The pseudo-noise signal is simply encoded in such a way that it provides the correct distribution of energy at all frequencies within the time averaging period used by the OmniMic software. You might find that's the best way to use the OMDVD Test DVD with your other measurement software, but I can't officially say that the OMDVD and FuzzMeasure will be good partners for each other, since the OMDVD was developed specifically for OmniMic.



    Oldbar, if there is a Parts Express or Dayton Audio distributor in your geographical area, I recommend requesting that they carry the OMDVD Test DVD, to reduce the expense in shipping the product to you. Shipping costs are something that we can't be responsible for, unfortunately.
    You are the closest to us expect Japan but I would not be the only one who lives overseas who will find the shipping for a $20 item very expensive. Does that mean there will be no download and burn option for overseas buyers?

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  • Pallas
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    Re: New multichannel DVD test disc introduced!

    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    I'm familiar with FuzzMeasure, and I think it's a good measurement tool. However, if we publish or provide information meant to confirm or allow usability with another manufacturer's measurement product or process, that comes dangerously close to providing support for another manufacturer's product, which we (as Dayton Audio) cannot do. It usually has the effect of blowing the lid completely off a host of other third-party support questions that we don't have the time or resources to sort out.
    Sorry, but that doesn't pass any kind of smell test.

    Let me change a couple nouns, just to illustrate how completely ridiculous your statement reads:

    "I'm familiar with [the 15" CSS passive radiator], and I think it's a good [passive radiator]. However, if we publish or provide information meant to confirm or allow usability with another manufacturer's [box tuning] product or process, [such as T/S parameters for our Dayton Reference subwoofers,] that comes dangerously close to providing support for another manufacturer's product, which we (as Dayton Audio) cannot do. It usually has the effect of blowing the lid completely off a host of other third-party support questions that we don't have the time or resources to sort out."

    Again, I recognize it's entirely PE's business decision to provide or not provide whatever information they want to provide. For any product, including both this test signal disk and for that matter the Dayton Reference drive-units. But if you do wish to justify decisions to a technically-minded public, you'd do better to use arguments that are not on their face utterly ridiculous.

    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    I can't officially say that the OMDVD and FuzzMeasure will be good partners for each other, since the OMDVD was developed specifically for OmniMic.
    I wouldn't expect you (as PE/Dayton Audio) to, by any means, announce that your product intended for x is compatible with y. Either formally or informally. Nor would any other reasonable person considering this product for an "off label" use. However, providing the basic technical information I requested (frequencies covered in each sweep, and duration of each sweep) is entirely out of the scope of "supporting" another product. (If anything, it could provide work for your competitors, for example Mr. Liscio being bombarded with "can I use that disk with FuzzMeasure?") It's just letting informed customers who know what they're doing make a choice.

    I think providing such information would help you sell more of 'em, because nobody else offers (to my knowledge) sweeps steered to 5.1 channels.

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  • RoryB@daytonaudio.com
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    Originally posted by Pallas View Post
    What makes you think I'm complaining about it costing actual money? I actually like that it's a standalone purchase, and think if you guys were smarter about it you could sell more of them.

    The value is in the steering to 5.1 channels, and as you write, the menu system. You'll sell more of the DVD's if you give enough information about it so that people like me who are interested 5.1-channel measuring, but use a measurement program other than Omnimic, can determine if it's compatible. For instance, I use FuzzMeasure because it's a native OSX app.
    I'm familiar with FuzzMeasure, and I think it's a good measurement tool. However, if we publish or provide information meant to confirm or allow usability with another manufacturer's measurement product or process, that comes dangerously close to providing support for another manufacturer's product, which we (as Dayton Audio) cannot do. It usually has the effect of blowing the lid completely off a host of other third-party support questions that we don't have the time or resources to sort out.

    That being said, the Pseudo-Noise test signal works well with third-party RTA software because it is not as dependent on signal timing to provide results. The pseudo-noise signal is simply encoded in such a way that it provides the correct distribution of energy at all frequencies within the time averaging period used by the OmniMic software. You might find that's the best way to use the OMDVD Test DVD with your other measurement software, but I can't officially say that the OMDVD and FuzzMeasure will be good partners for each other, since the OMDVD was developed specifically for OmniMic.

    Originally posted by Oldbar
    I was going to buy it but since I have to buy over $50 worth of products and since I am international plus postage makes it very expensive for me
    Oldbar, if there is a Parts Express or Dayton Audio distributor in your geographical area, I recommend requesting that they carry the OMDVD Test DVD, to reduce the expense in shipping the product to you. Shipping costs are something that we can't be responsible for, unfortunately.

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  • oldbar
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    I was going to buy it but since I have to buy over $50 worth of products and since I am international plus postage makes it very expensive for me

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  • Pallas
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    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    They are swept sine signals that have a particular duration. The actual duration could probably be reverse-engineered by somebody, but it's proprietary information.
    That's short-sighted, but PE's decision.

    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    but actual work went into creating the DVD (which is more than just tracks -- there's a whole menu system), so it costs actual money.
    What makes you think I'm complaining about it costing actual money? I actually like that it's a standalone purchase, and think if you guys were smarter about it you could sell more of them.

    The value is in the steering to 5.1 channels, and as you write, the menu system. You'll sell more of the DVD's if you give enough information about it so that people like me who are interested 5.1-channel measuring, but use a measurement program other than Omnimic, can determine if it's compatible. For instance, I use FuzzMeasure because it's a native OSX app.
    Last edited by Pallas; 02-21-2013, 09:28 AM.

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  • RoryB@daytonaudio.com
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    Originally posted by Pallas View Post
    Oh, they're not standard swept sine waves, as used by FuzzMeasure, HolmImpulse, REW, and so on?

    I didn't know that.

    And what is that "known duration," in ms?
    They are swept sine signals that have a particular duration. The actual duration could probably be reverse-engineered by somebody, but it's proprietary information. The 2-channel tracks are available for free download, but actual work went into creating the DVD (which is more than just tracks -- there's a whole menu system), so it costs actual money.

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  • Pallas
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    Re: New multichannel DVD test disc introduced!

    Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
    I don't believe you can use the test sweeps for OmniMic with any other measurement systems. They have been customized for the OmniMic software.
    Oh, they're not standard swept sine waves, as used by FuzzMeasure, HolmImpulse, REW, and so on?

    I didn't know that.

    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    The sweeps and pseudo-random noise test signals provided for use with OmniMic (and included on the multichannel test DVD) are designed to have a known duration,
    And what is that "known duration," in ms?

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  • RoryB@daytonaudio.com
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    Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
    I don't believe you can use the test sweeps for OmniMic with any other measurement systems. They have been customized for the OmniMic software.
    You might be able to analyze the OmniMic tones in another program, but I can't say whether you'd get usable data using them with any software other than OmniMic. The same goes for using third-party test tones with OmniMic. We don't officially support any third-party software programs or test signal sources.

    The sweeps and pseudo-random noise test signals provided for use with OmniMic (and included on the multichannel test DVD) are designed to have a known duration, which the OmniMic software uses to make sure that the signal fed to the loudspeaker between each update of the graph contains the same amount of energy at every frequency over the time period. Without this synchronization the accuracy of the results might not be the same for every update of the graph.

    The DVD hasn't been tested with version 1 of the OmniMic hardware or software, but it should still work, because until now there haven't been any changes to the way the software analyzes test signals.

    And it costs less than Lincoln, Life of Pi, or Les Miserables, and you'll use it more frequently than you'll watch most DVDs.

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  • Jeff B.
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    Originally posted by Pallas View Post
    Could you add some more technical detail about the test tones? (Length in time rather than in adjectives,. and frequency range of each sweep, etc.)

    Looks interesting but need more detail to see how useful it is for use with FuzzMeasure or other measurement systems in addition to Omnimic.
    I don't believe you can use the test sweeps for OmniMic with any other measurement systems. They have been customized for the OmniMic software.

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  • laugsbach
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    I am sorry but this should be included in the $300 entry fee for the OM...

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  • arlis_1957@yahoo.com
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    i think i'll pick up a copy this week when i'm in the neighborhood.

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  • Pallas
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    Could you add some more technical detail about the test tones? (Length in time rather than in adjectives,. and frequency range of each sweep, etc.)

    Looks interesting but need more detail to see how useful it is for use with FuzzMeasure or other measurement systems in addition to Omnimic.

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  • Jim Griffin
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    Does this DVD work with OmniMic Ver. 1?

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