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    The Revelations are a TMWW, using the Seas 27TBFC/G, Silver Flute 5.25" and a pair of Silver Flute 8" per side. Ported, about 92L per side.

    The crossover is 2nd order acoustic everywhere. Simple on the woofers, simple on the tweeter, and a mountain of parts on the mid.

    They're named not because they're the most detailed and revealing speakers ever, though a lot of woodworking knowledge has indeed been revealed. It's more of a biblical reference, a nod to plans loooong in the works and to methods that will never be employed again. Not by me, anyway.

    Things I have learned:

    1. Sketchup is an INVALUABLE imagineering tool. My finished design was within 1/8" of the original plans.

    2. I shall not route another driver recess without a rabbet set. Multiple nibbling passes with a Jasper makes for sketchy results and doesn't solve the "how do I trim my veneer" question.

    3. Veneering rocks. Trying to do contact cement in your wife's sun room does not. From now on, I will be planning my designs out so that they're designed & cut in the fall, assembled indoors in the winter and measured & tested in the spring. I'll be saving the finishing work for warm weather.

    4. I'm not allowed to use Bondo. The universe simply won't let me.

    5. Spray gun. I need one.

    6. Don't fear bandpass gain.

    In fact, I have to give a big shout-out to Wolf, who managed to use that bandpass gain to salvage the use of the 8-ohm SF 5.25". I had thought it was going to not be sensitive enough and that I'd have to try another driver, but he managed to come up with an XO with enough overlap that it all worked.

    A second big THANK YOU to all the guys who talked me through a number of potential finishing mishaps, including, but not limited to:

    bobbarkto
    Passing Interest
    dian1511
    Lou C
    Dave Pellegrene

    Much appreciated, gentlemen. I know a mountain more than I did two months ago. Anyway, here are my results. Thanks for looking.

    Last edited by Dirk; 04-07-2010, 09:28 PM. Reason: Because Mark is a nit picker.

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    I have had the pleasure of personally listening to these.
    Probably the best speakers I've ever listened to.

    But then again, I don't have the pleasure of listening to many DIY speakers. :D

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    • #3
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      Give them to me!!! (and i'll take full credit for the build):p

      Lookin' good Dirk! Where does this fall in line with types of music? Did you gear it towards a particular genre?
      If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me?

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        Originally posted by the kid View Post
        Give them to me!!! (and i'll take full credit for the build):p

        Lookin' good Dirk! Where does this fall in line with types of music? Did you gear it towards a particular genre?
        Where? These are all-arounders, built to be basically bullet-proof in a house full of people who listen to too much pop. Truely full-range. Two 8" per side makes for great dynamic capabilities and low compression. I've yet to have them bow out dynamically driven by 200wpc (since I went 2nd order on the tweet, anyway). To give you an idea of what I have thoroughly enjoyed:

        1. Holst's 2nd Suite for Military Band. It was the first thing I played with the revised H1212 crossover and I was spellbound from beginning to end. This might be one of my InDIYana tracks.
        2. The Beatles - Sgt Pepper's (the 1992 re-release).
        3. Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile
        4. Fleetwood Mac - Tusk (Greatest Hits on vinyl)

        I built them to be a low-cost alternative to the RS 3-ways, and they come in about $120 less for drivers & XO.

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        • #5
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          I've often looked at the SF drivers for possible future builds. There are a few builds out there which use them and the builders seem very happy with the end result. In this era of rising prices, the price point/build quality of the SF's help keep DIY fun. They have been around for a while yet there is nothing new from them, at least nothing new that I've seen.
          That's a really nice build Dirk and with Wolf's uncanny feel for midrange, I bet they sound as good as they look and they look great.
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            Very nice Dirk. Very nice indeed.
            Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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            • #7
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              Wow, those look awesome, and I'm sure they sound even better, but isn't that the TBFC/G?;)

              And does the dip at the top of the tweeter response make itself known in the sound?

              Nice work, indeed!


              Mark
              You go your way, I'll go mine. I don't care if we get there on time.

              ~Pink Floyd

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                Originally posted by Mark65 View Post
                Wow, those look awesome, and I'm sure they sound even better, but isn't that the TBFC/G?;)
                Yes, you're right. It's the 27TBFC/GOMGWTFBBQ. :p

                And does the dip at the top of the tweeter response make itself known in the sound?
                Less than you'd think. It's not quite as "airy" as, say, an XT25, but I know there's plenty of output on the top end. I've been thinking about bypassing the padding resistor with a 1uF cap to see what it sounds like.

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                • #9
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                  Great job, Dirk! I'm looking forward to hearing them.
                  Dan N.

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                  • #10
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                    Very impressive; a real attention-grabber! They look like they have quite a bit of muscle.

                    Sorry about the Bondo.
                    Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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                    • #11
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                      I'm very curious to see how they sound in a bigger room like we'll have in InDIYana. I also hope there's lots of soft lighting. :D

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                      • #12
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                        Looks good, Dirk!
                        I'm glad you like the outcome. I was surprised at how 'simple' the design really was, and I am also glad it worked well. You're welcome! :D

                        I don't use Bondo either.

                        The lighting is not really low in the room, but it seems to be indirect. :rolleyes: You'll probably still see some flaws.
                        I also look forward to hearing them!
                        Wolf
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                          Why the bondo issue, out of curiosity?
                          Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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                            Originally posted by johnnyrichards View Post
                            Why the bondo issue, out of curiosity?
                            I probably just had a bad can that wouldn't cure. Despite my best efforts (and those of my professional-autobody-guy brother-in-law), it just gummed up sand paper.

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                              Originally posted by Dirk View Post
                              I probably just had a bad can that wouldn't cure. Despite my best efforts (and those of my professional-autobody-guy brother-in-law), it just gummed up sand paper.
                              Yeah, there is a balance to be found between hardener and filler. Unfortunately, it is a lot like baking - it depends on the day. I grew up in a body shop, working with it is almost second nature to me. I will never go back to wood filler or putty again.
                              Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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