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  • Tarkus Build... Finally!

    I've been working up to this build for better than a year, so it's great to finally get it off the ground! This is my first speaker build, and I'm the worst kind of noob - impatient and self-educated. So I expect the finished speakers to be ugly, interesting, and sound awesome.

    Today, I've uploaded some pictures of the crossovers. Now, normally you build crossovers by using a little node-analysis and inductor arrangement, tying everything together on a little board with as few jumper wires as possible. Then you bury that in the bottom or back of the speaker box, never again to see the light of day. At first, I thought I'd do that, too.

    Then I opened my big box of components from PE, and said, "OOOOOooooohhhhh, SHINYYYYY!!" NO way was I going to hide all this cool techy-looking stuff from public view! So, I immediately thought plexiglass boxes on top of the speakers. I figured since they're two-box units to start with, it would kind of flow with the design. Then I thought, why build plexiglass boxes when you can build plexiglass pyramids? :D

    Step One: Start with a great big mess of haphazardly connected crossover parts.

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    You can't see it in this photo, but the one thing in this build I do really well is solder things together. All my connections are rock-solid.

    I wish I had pictures of cutting triangles out of sheets of plexi, and gluing them together with Weld-On 16, which was way more difficult than it had any business being. So take my word for it, it's an awful pain in the rear. Next time, I'm going to use a hot glue gun for the plexi.

    Step Two: Stuff the big mess into the plexiglass pyramid:

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    In Aviation Maintenance, we call this sort of device a Shoctopus.

    I used hot glue to attach components to the inside of the plexi. The real trick here was making sure that the proper connection points reached the proper banana jacks, and at the same time getting the coils in the corners so they won't mess with one another in operation. This will immediately draw the reader's eye to the two coils on the right of the pic, which are obviously incorrectly placed. This was a total accident. My glue gun needed a new stick right in the middle of gluing the big coil on the bottom, and by the time I had that sorted and stuck it down, I had somehow got on the wrong side of it's corner. The coils are about 4 inches apart at their nearest point, close to 6 inches center to center, so I don't think it will create a problem.

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    Inside the second Shoctopus. Notice the much nicer locations of the coils! I couldn't get them all in the corners, due to the jumpers having a slightly different randomishness than in the first unit. The coil for the tweeter circuit is stuffed sideways way up in the top. It will be interesting to see if this makes any difference that can be heard. I had to be very careful to trace all of the lines and make sure nothing will short on anything else - in a few places I hot-glued the jumpers to maintain arrangement and spacing.

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    Shoctopus One, Exterior. I love the way the shiny metal bits look through the plexi! Things like this almost never turn out the way I think they're going to, but I have to say, this time the end result matches my initial vision almost exactly!

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    And finally, the completed Twins. I think I'll call them Arky and Sparky! I'm also considering labeling the binding posts "Input, 1.21 JiggaWatts". I have a few more pictures of them in my photo albums, in case anyone's as interested as I am.

    Two questions on my mind at this point - what kind of amplifier will I use with these speakers? And the most important question:

    What will be the first awesome rock and roll record I play through them?

    Decisions, decisions! ;-)
    Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
    Tarkus of Egypt

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    Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

    Originally posted by hoosiercheetah View Post
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    I like this. It's like getting pulled into a vortex of crossover parts.

    I have to say, this is the first time I've ever seen a plexiglass pyramid external crossover. High marks for creativity!
    Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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    • #3
      Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

      Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
      I like this. It's like getting pulled into a vortex of crossover parts.

      I have to say, this is the first time I've ever seen a plexiglass pyramid external crossover. High marks for creativity!
      Thanks!

      I looked all over the place before I started this; I was sure I'd find some other wacky xover designs from which to draw inspiration... and there's nothing. Absolutely nothing. I may go so far as to call myself a pioneer. And now I'm thinking I have to build more speakers, so I can explore the artistic possibilities of the shiny metaly bits!

      As a side note, I'm trying to figure out some kind of way I can get wife approval to bring the Sparky Twins to inDIY. Influencing factors are two children ages 1 and 5. None of them are interested in the slightest in audio. Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
      Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
      Tarkus of Egypt

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      • #4
        Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

        Tell them you need adult supervision. There's no tellling what could happen if you go w/o supervision. Of course this could backfire.

        A backup plan is tell them this keeps you off the streets and out of the bars.


        Originally posted by hoosiercheetah View Post
        Thanks!

        I looked all over the place before I started this; I was sure I'd find some other wacky xover designs from which to draw inspiration... and there's nothing. Absolutely nothing. I may go so far as to call myself a pioneer. And now I'm thinking I have to build more speakers, so I can explore the artistic possibilities of the shiny metaly bits!

        As a side note, I'm trying to figure out some kind of way I can get wife approval to bring the Sparky Twins to inDIY. Influencing factors are two children ages 1 and 5. None of them are interested in the slightest in audio. Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
        I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
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        • #5
          Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

          I think I probably still have an old "Phase Linear Autocorrelator - Downward Expander" (SOMEwhere).

          Actually, I've read about using the power of the pyramid with crossovers before. I'm pretty sure they have the effect of auto-aligning both the desired LR acoustic rolloffs to perfectly match whatever the designer wished he could have achieved, AND a dramatic reduction of all order of harmonic distortion. My own testing has proven that they also have the ability to provide "impedance suspension" (which can lift up dangerously low impedance levels - which ALL designs seem to have) AND can ultimately control (dampen) impedance phase angle alignment shifts. Say what?

          So in reality, it won't matter what the 1st awesome rock & roll record it is that you'll play through them.

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          • #6
            Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

            Thumbs-UP!! WAAAAYYYYY-UP!!

            I have to admit I like the premise of that enclosure- very cool.

            I remember seeing a xover once where a guy made specific mounts for the xover parts, in an interlocking stand or rack that looked not unlike something Rube Goldberg would conceive. The wires were strung and then zip-tied to the rack from component to component as you have done. I guess you could look at his layout like a 3D PCB, and the wire runs are the traces. That is the most unique xover I've seen. The rack was painted red, and the parts were of the foil coil variety, and very nice caps as well. The problem with it- is that it slid inside the speaker from the rear so it was no longer visible in a false bottom.

            Later,
            Wolf
            "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
            "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
            "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
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            • #7
              Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

              Chris, I don't recognize enough of those words to be able to decide whether you're pulling my chain.

              Fess up, did you type that with or without your tinfoil hat?
              Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
              Tarkus of Egypt

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              • #8
                Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

                Originally posted by Wolf View Post

                I remember seeing a xover once where a guy made specific mounts for the xover parts, in an interlocking stand or rack that looked not unlike something Rube Goldberg would conceive. The problem with it- is that it slid inside the speaker from the rear so it was no longer visible in a false bottom.
                That's what I'm on about! Why hide something that magnificent, even if it's totally loony? *Especially* if it's totally loony!
                If I built something like that, I'd frame it and hang it on the wall above the speakers.
                Oooo.... I'm gonna write that down.
                :-D

                By the by, Mr. Wolf, I've got a pair of your PC speakers in the works, too. Just waiting for the voices in my head to tell me what to do with those massive caps. ;-)
                Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
                Tarkus of Egypt

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                • #9
                  Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

                  I have seen xovers mounted on a wall like artwork. Face might be able to post those up if he has the link- they were for a pair of Klipsch clones or 'part upgrades'.
                  These had to be about 18" x 24", and had copper solidcore busses connecting everything- a work of art!

                  Keep us posted,
                  Wolf
                  "Wolf, you shall now be known as "King of the Zip ties." -Pete00t
                  "Wolf and speakers equivalent to Picasso and 'Blue'" -dantheman
                  "He is a true ambassador for this forum and speaker DIY in general." -Ed Froste
                  "We're all in this together, so keep your stick on the ice!" - Red Green aka Steve Smith

                  *InDIYana event website*

                  Photobucket pages:
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                  My blog/writeups/thoughts here at PE:
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                  • #10
                    Re: Tarkus Build... Finally!

                    Finally another Tarkus build...and I can tell this one is going to be a wild ride. :D

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                    • #11
                      Let the gluing begin!

                      So, I deliberated for a while about what kind of joints to use. Ultimately my decision was influenced primarily by my lack of tools and experience, and by the uncooperative nature of MDF.

                      Somehow, before I started all this, I had got it in my head that MDF was the stuff of choice for speaker cabs, and there really wasn't any other way to go. Since then it seems I'm getting more and more replies from people who use plywood because it's easier to work with and the results are just as good. Also, plywood is cheaper than MDF in this part of the world. Lesson learned.

                      Anyway, I decided to buy some square dowel and glue together **** joints with battens, sans hardware. I think that this will give me the best chance of having square boxes, since it turns out my school's table saw doesn't cut straight lines. So far, it seems to be working out really well. Here are some pics!

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                      The method is cross-clamping the batten to both boards of the joint, and relying on the batten to keep everything square. A fifth clamp is used to make the joint itself as tight as possible, but due to the un-straightness of the cuts, there will be gaps.

                      Also, I'm being careful to keep the Baffle side of everything down on my work surface. This should give me the best chance of having a flat surface upon which to mount the baffle.

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                      Inside the clamped joint. I love the smell of Tightbond II in the morning! I'm using the parts that will be attached later to make sure I maintain spacing and squareness all the way around. So far, so good!

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                      A finished batten joint. The glue is a bit unsightly where it dried in rings around the clamp pads, but it's mostly internal, and the outside will all get sanded flush. I plan on using a die grinder and a whole box of 80 grit disks to make all my uneven cuts even again, so a little glue protrusion is the least of my concerns.

                      That's it for now, I'll post again when I get a box about done!

                      P.S. - You'd think in a forum where there's a lot of wood working going on, that they'd take b utt off the forbidden list. I'm leaving the asterisks, as a peaceful protest. Ciao.
                      Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
                      Tarkus of Egypt

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                      • #12
                        Re: Let the gluing begin!

                        Originally posted by hoosiercheetah View Post
                        ... Also, plywood is cheaper than MDF in this part of the world...
                        What part of the world are you in? MDF is significantly cheaper than any quality plywood I've ever seen.

                        Originally posted by hoosiercheetah View Post
                        A finished batten joint. The glue is a bit unsightly where it dried in rings around the clamp pads, but it's mostly internal, and the outside will all get sanded flush. I plan on using a die grinder and a whole box of 80 grit disks to make all my uneven cuts even again, so a little glue protrusion is the least of my concerns.
                        Use a lightly damp rag and wipe off any excess glue before it dries next time. This will greatly reduce any sanding needed. Also, do you have access to a router and flush trim bit? If your edges are slightly proud at your joints, this is a lot faster and easier method to smooth things out than sanding.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Let the gluing begin!

                          Originally posted by 1100xxben View Post
                          What part of the world are you in? MDF is significantly cheaper than any quality plywood I've ever seen.

                          Use a lightly damp rag and wipe off any excess glue before it dries next time.
                          Hmm. It's possible that I was only looking at unsuitably cheap plywood.

                          Edit: Yep. I went back and looked again at my fave. box store's website. I had originally looked at sheathing plywood; the good hardwood stuff is 14 dollars more per sheet than MDF. Of course, I got this cut out in a sheet and a half, so you're only talking an extra 21 bucks, or 28 and use the scrap for the next build. I think I'll spend the money for plywood next time.

                          I thought about wiping down excess glue. Unfortunately, I have no router or router-borrowing ability, so the sanding is inevitable. Since I have inevitable sanding anyway, I'm not getting too fired up about excess glue.

                          Also, it's looking like my choices of final finishing materials are going to hide a lot of imperfections. Yay! :D
                          Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
                          Tarkus of Egypt

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                          • #14
                            Re: Let the gluing begin!

                            Here's the bad news. If your fav box store is HD or Lowes the "good" hardwood ply isn't that good and it isn't hardwood except for the veneer.

                            The good plywood is Baltic Birch. Its 13 thin plys for 18mm (~3/4"), typically sold in 5'x5' or 30"x60" sizes and is only available from real lumber yards. oh yah, ~$60 and up for a 5x5.
                            I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Let the gluing begin!

                              Make sure you work a bead of glue into the edge of any MDF you're using before adding the glue that's meant for bonding. MDF soaks up woodglue like a sponge (air is cheaper than glue, so they skimp on adhesive), and will leave you with a joint without enough glue in it. Looking at your finished batten joint, it looks like a little of that may have happened. Be sure you take care caulking any joints you've already glued using this method (bondo works well too), and definitely pre-load some glue onto any cut edges of MDF.

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