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    The TangBand W4-1720 is a remarkable driver for its size and cost. It has a huge ferrite magnet and is an under hung design with low distortion and great performance for a 4 inch class driver. Holding one of these woofers tells you that this 4.1 pound, 4” woofer is a serious contender in the small woofer class.

    Several DIY’ers have used this driver and their efforts have been rewarded with good results. I heard Rory Buszka’s small Neutrino bookshelf speaker last year at one of the DIY speaker events and was impressed by the sound of his design that uses the W4-1720 and SEAS 22TAF/G tweeter. Other designers have utilized the W4-1720 with equally impressive results. Paul Carmody chose this driver for his Speedster MT bookshelf design (crossed to the Fountek NeoCD1.0 tweeter) which has been widely duplicated by many DIY builders. While these speakers yield satisfying results for bookshelf use, they lack that extra octave or half octave on the low end of their frequency response to convince the listener that a subwoofer would not be needed.

    Now I seldom miss an opportunity to adapt outstanding small enclosure designs to a mass loaded transmission line configuration. In most cases a MLTL version produces at least 10-25 Hz additional low end sound output so that a fuller frequency range can be achieved. Hence, music becomes truly full range while the footprint is no larger than a small enclosure speaker placed on a stand.

    At the recent Kentucky DIY event I demonstrated a mass loaded transmission line version of Paul Carmody’s Speedster design. I chose his speaker as a candidate for a MLTL conversion based upon its potential to be full range and because I’m a pushover for ribbon tweeters like the little Fountek unit he uses. I call my creation the Speedster Towers. Now Carmody described a MLTL version of the Speedster this summer, but his design departs from the original Speedster MT bookshelf by adding a second W4-1720 driver and makes crossover network changes for a MMT arrangement. You can read about Paul’s design on his website. I’m reluctant to fully recommend his MMT MLTL as it does place the two 4 ohms drivers in parallel for low frequencies (2.6 ohms load impedance with 18 awg inductors) which may present issues for less than robust amplifiers. My MLTL version is true to the Speedster bookshelf design as it retains the original driver spacing and crossover while maintaining a 4 ohms impedance load.

    I used Martin J. King’s worksheets to derive the MLTL enclosure for the Speedster Towers. After several iterations, my design efforts yielded an enclosure that has outside dimensions (I’m using 0.75 inch thick material) of 39.5 inches tall by 6.5 inches wide by 6.0 inches deep. The internal dimensions of the pipe are 38 x 5 x 4.5 inches. Hence, the box is small and very petite. But that small size yields a low frequency response that is 3 dB down below 35 Hz in these simulations. I’ve attached a set of simulation plots (system SPL response, port response, impedance, and woofer displacement) that resulted from my modelling. The width of this speaker is 6.5 inches vs. 6 inches for the bookshelf version which will slightly impact the baffle step correction that Paul used in the original crossover. But the tradeoff to a thicker wall speaker for a MLTL is an acceptable change, in my opinion, as you gain a more rigid structure for the heavy driver and it better copes with higher SPLs for the lower frequency coverage. The enclosures for the towers are straight (not tapered like some transmission line boxes) so they are as easy to construct as bookshelf speaker cabinets.

    The port tube on the Speedster Towers is nominally 1.75 inches diameter by 4.5 inches long round tube centered two inches above the bottom of the box. For my prototypes I equated this round port area into a rectangular slot port and constructed a tunnel that maintains this cross-sectional area for 3.5 inches inside the enclosure near the bottom of the box. Thus the slotted port creates a straight line length of 5 inches. The port tube or slot port tunnel can be located on either the front baffle or the rear panel of the enclosure as chosen by the builder.

    The upper-half (down to 3 inches or so below the woofer cutout) of the Speedster Towers is filled with 0.75 lb/ft3 stuffing. You can use loose damping material or consider that Meniscus Audio sells bonded Dacron in 1 inch thickness sheets that allow you to easily fill the volume. You will have to trim a few sheets to fit around the large rear magnet housing of the W4-1720. To permit access during assembly to the low half of the enclosure, I use a bi-amp terminal plate (such as the Madisound TD-cup) so that I can place the crossover networks inside the box and have room for wire routing.

    As designed, the slim Speedster Towers will need stabilization to withstand usage in a typical home environment. A base plate with spikes is one solution if the intended application is on carpeted floors. With wood floors in my home I use an overlapping hardwood X stand on the bottom of each speaker box. The X stand raises the enclosure 1.5 inches which places the ribbon tweeter at the ideal listening height for seated listeners.

    In the near future my prototype towers will be painted so that raw MDF look will disappear. But the sound that they produce will still be rewarding and pleasing to the listener.
    Attached Files

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    Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

    This looks VERY enticing.
    Builds - C-Killa - Speedsters - LithMTM - Talking Sticks - Pocket Rockets - Khanspires - Dayton RS Center - RS225/28A - Kairos - Adelphos - SEOS TD12X - Dayton 8 - Needles - 871S - eD6c - Overnight Sensations - Tritrix (ported) - Lineup F4 - Stentorians - The Cheapies - Tub Thumpers - Barbells - Tuba HT - Numerous subwoofers - probably missing a few...... :p

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      Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

      Thanks Jim, this looks very interesting. Unfortunately I missed the sale on the TB's some time ago. I believe that they were $30 at one point (DOD?), a real bargain. I hope they go on sale again.
      “I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet”

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        Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

        I purchased my W4-1720s last summer at the MWAF for the normal 20% off (or about $40 each) on the Saturday tent sale. Makes visiting P-E worthwhile.

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        • #5
          Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

          This is cool. Thank you for the writeup Jim. An F3 of 35 Hz from little bookshelf speakers like the Speedsters is crazy!
          Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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            Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

            This seems like a cool project. I admit that when it comes to transmission lines I am a little out of my depth, so if no-one minds I will use this opportunity to ask some questions.

            1st. Paul recently released his MMt version of this speaker. I like the additional efficiency of that speaker, but imagine that the MLTL would need to be reworked. Is this true? Is it because one of the drivers would be relatively lower in the box? Is it dependent on the additional displacement? I can't think of a mathematical/physics reason why the second would be true…but as I said I am out of my depth a little here.

            2nd. Box construction. I noticed you used .75 thick sides and ended up with a box slightly wider than the original. Additional thickness of material is not as useful in reducing vibrations as say, a ton of braces. How do braces work with a transmission line? Do they create detrimental in-box turbulence? Also in conventional boxes the vibrations are caused by the driver. In a TL design is there vibration that comes directly from the transmission line air movement? mdf is already pretty smooth, but could it be finished or treated in some way to reduce these ancillary vibrations (if they even exist in the first place)?

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              Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

              Nick,

              The Carmody MMT (MLTL box designed by Paul Kittinger) is twice the cross-sectional area of my box. That MMT and my design will be the same sensitivity over the majority of the frequency band but the MMT can supply 3 dB more output in the limit over the region of the frequency where both M's are working. Normally, MMT designs don't increase the sensitivity of the speaker as the sensitivity increase isn't over the entire mid bass range. I haven't seen Paul's sims for the MMT but I would not expect a lower 3 dB down point that I achieved. Paul box can achieve 3 dB more output at the extreme low end of the band before linear Xmax is reached.

              Bracing normally helps a speaker but in this case you are talking about a 6.5" x 6" tube of 0.75" thick MDF. My experience is that this small of an enclosure will be very rigid and able to function without extra bracing. You could add some dowels between sides inside the box if you are concerned about rigidity but they are not required. Also the stuffing helps to damp the high pressure volume behind the woofer. I suspect that the MMT implementation would be less rigid than my MT version unless some bracing is added to that design.

              Jim

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              • #8
                Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                +1 NickJ, I too am out of my element when it comes to TL, MLTL designs. Looking forward to the replies to your question.
                nikkoluvr

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                  Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                  The modeled F3 I achieved was 38 Hz, but my design was primarily based on the cabinet dimensions Paul C had for his non-MLTL MMT Speedster he brought to InDIYana. I may have increased the box depth some, but I purposely did not want to get a much lower F3 in order to keep driver excursion somewhat limited (I may have been a bit too conservative, however).
                  Paul

                  Originally posted by Jim Griffin View Post
                  Nick,

                  The Carmody MMT (MLTL box designed by Paul Kittinger) is twice the cross-sectional area of my box. That MMT and my design will be the same sensitivity over the majority of the frequency band but the MMT can supply 3 dB more output in the limit over the region of the frequency where both M's are working. Normally, MMT designs don't increase the sensitivity of the speaker as the sensitivity increase isn't over the entire mid bass range. I haven't seen Paul's sims for the MMT but I would not expect a lower 3 dB down point that I achieved. Paul box can achieve 3 dB more output at the extreme low end of the band before linear Xmax is reached.

                  Bracing normally helps a speaker but in this case you are talking about a 6.5" x 6" tube of 0.75" thick MDF. My experience is that this small of an enclosure will be very rigid and able to function without extra bracing. You could add some dowels between sides inside the box if you are concerned about rigidity but they are not required. Also the stuffing helps to damp the high pressure volume behind the woofer. I suspect that the MMT implementation would be less rigid than my MT version unless some bracing is added to that design.

                  Jim
                  Last edited by Paul K.; 11-28-2013, 10:20 AM.

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                    Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                    Originally posted by Jim Griffin View Post
                    Nick,

                    The Carmody MMT (MLTL box designed by Paul Kittinger) is twice the cross-sectional area of my box. That MMT and my design will be the same sensitivity over the majority of the frequency band but the MMT can supply 3 dB more output in the limit over the region of the frequency where both M's are working. Normally, MMT designs don't increase the sensitivity of the speaker as the sensitivity increase isn't over the entire mid bass range. I haven't seen Paul's sims for the MMT but I would not expect a lower 3 dB down point that I achieved. Paul box can achieve 3 dB more output at the extreme low end of the band before linear Xmax is reached.

                    Bracing normally helps a speaker but in this case you are talking about a 6.5" x 6" tube of 0.75" thick MDF. My experience is that this small of an enclosure will be very rigid and able to function without extra bracing. You could add some dowels between sides inside the box if you are concerned about rigidity but they are not required. Also the stuffing helps to damp the high pressure volume behind the woofer. I suspect that the MMT implementation would be less rigid than my MT version unless some bracing is added to that design.

                    Jim
                    Thanks for this answer. A couple of followups.

                    1. MMT designs often do increase sensitivity when we are talking about a 2.5 design (which I believe the speedster mmt is), as the roll-off of the second mid bass is usually designed to compensate for the natural loss of baffle step. Am I missing something here?

                    2. I know that the MMT is bigger, but I am wondering whether the size and length of a MLTL has to adjust for speaker displacement in the same or similar ways as other vented boxes.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                      When there are two drivers involved you'll always need twice the volume in order to have the same F3 as for a single driver. It doesn't matter what the box configuration is.
                      Paul

                      Originally posted by NickJ View Post
                      Thanks for this answer. A couple of followups.

                      1. MMT designs often do increase sensitivity when we are talking about a 2.5 design (which I believe the speedster mmt is), as the roll-off of the second mid bass is usually designed to compensate for the natural loss of baffle step. Am I missing something here?

                      2. I know that the MMT is bigger, but I am wondering whether the size and length of a MLTL has to adjust for speaker displacement in the same or similar ways as other vented boxes.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                        Originally posted by Paul K. View Post
                        When there are two drivers involved you'll always need twice the volume in order to have the same F3 as for a single driver. It doesn't matter what the box configuration is.
                        Paul
                        Thanks Paul,

                        That is what I expected, I was just wondering if the MLTL had some rear loaded horn properties or something...

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                          Nick,

                          Paul has written a good summary of what a MLTL does on the Philharmonic Audio website. Read this:



                          Jim

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                            Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                            This is pretty cool. I wanted to do a quirky transmission line setup before I got set on my speedsters. I have some questions:

                            1. In a transmission line I had assumed the distance between the woofer and port is critical, Unlike say a speedster bookshelf where the port location has some flexibility. Is there truth to this or does the length of the enclosure mostly what matters?

                            2. I was considering a setup where a left floor standing speaker was on floor as normal, but the right speaker would be on my desk upside down. It would be made such that the tweeters would at the same height.

                            3. Does is matter if the woofer is above the tweeter in the right speaker? Would I need to have them reoriented in the upside down speaker?

                            Not saying I'm gonna do this but it solves some issues with my current furniture arrangement. Might give me an excuse to build something new.
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                              Re: The Speedster Towers--A MLTL version True to the Originals

                              In an ML-TL the 1/4-wavelength resonant frequency of the line's length (which would be the cabinet's internal height for a simple floor-standing ML-TL) contributes to part of the system tuning mechanism, with the rest of the contribution coming from the port's dimensions. In addition there will be artifacts created in the system response curve caused by the distance between the woofer and port. These show up as peaks and dips in the response curve usually above 300 Hz. So, when modeling an ML-TL, one of the final steps is finding the optimum location of the port relative to the woofer's location and the line's length. The shorter the line (the shorter the cabinet), the less critical is the port's location usually.
                              Paul

                              Originally posted by infamous_panda View Post
                              This is pretty cool. I wanted to do a quirky transmission line setup before I got set on my speedsters. I have some questions:

                              1. In a transmission line I had assumed the distance between the woofer and port is critical, Unlike say a speedster bookshelf where the port location has some flexibility. Is there truth to this or does the length of the enclosure mostly what matters?

                              2. I was considering a setup where a left floor standing speaker was on floor as normal, but the right speaker would be on my desk upside down. It would be made such that the tweeters would at the same height.

                              3. Does is matter if the woofer is above the tweeter in the right speaker? Would I need to have them reoriented in the upside down speaker?

                              Not saying I'm gonna do this but it solves some issues with my current furniture arrangement. Might give me an excuse to build something new.

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