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  • Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

    This project is a modification of a hybrid ESL speaker shown on my DIY ESL website here:

    I'm replacing the original perf-metal ESL panel with a segmented wire-stator ESL panel with selectable wide and narrow dispersion modes. My old perf-metal flat panels give incredible slam and imaging at their focal point but their miniscule "head-in-a-vise" sweet spot isn't much good for entertaining guests. So this project is a way to have it both ways:

    Each stator uses a vertical array of (132) copper coated .035 diameter TIG welding rods glued onto a black plastic egg crate support (florescent light diffuser).

    The conductors are physically segmented into (11) discrete groups of (12) rods, and electrically segmented into (6) discrete groups (center group + 5 outer group pairs).

    In narrow dispersion mode, all wire groups are directly coupled to the amps/transformers; driving the diaphragm uniformly across its entire surface and the panel radiates a planar wave front giving a tightly focused sweet spot for best imaging and slam.

    In wide mode, dispersion is achieved the same way Peter Walker did it in the Quad ESL 63; using electrically segmented conductors receiving sequentially delayed signals via a resistor/capacitor delay network. But where the Quad 63 used concentric rings of conductors in a delay line, driving the diaphragm from the center outward, as a point source radiating a spherical wave front, my panels use vertical wire groups driving the diaphragm from the centerline outward, as a line source radiating a cylindrical wave front.

    I plan to use a pair of Soviet military rotary switches to select between narrow and wide dispersion (switch would jump across the resistors). However, the switches have not yet arrived from Belarus so for the time being the panels are wired for wide dispersion mode only.

    I have just completed the panels and installed them but I will have to wait until next week to start tuning, as I spend the weekends with my GF. However, I did play the panels for a few minutes this morning just to make sure there were no arcing problems.

    At first play I can tell that, unlike my old non-segmented flat panels, these new panels have NO pronounced sweet spot. Right now they sound bass heavy, as the EQ'ing is still setup for my old non-segmented panels which are very bright.

    I will update again next week after some tuning and tweaking.
    For now, here are the build pics:

    Mating front and rear stators with diaphragm and copper foil charge ring installed:
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    Completed panels:
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    Last edited by Jazzman53; 03-10-2015, 08:20 AM.
    Jazz
    Jazzman's DIY Electrostatic Loudspeaker Page

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    Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

    More pics:

    Finished speaker:
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    View from behind showing the resistor filter network:
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    Screen shots from the Excel Segmented ESL Calculator spread sheet:
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    Jazz
    Jazzman's DIY Electrostatic Loudspeaker Page

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    • #3
      Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

      Update 2/25/15:

      My initial impressions were disappointing, as the treble was a bit anemic, but this past evening's tweaks got the panels sounding pretty good and the treble can be upped a bit further if needed.

      BTW; I got those lovely resistor boards from my friend and fellow ESL builder Ken Seibert. It was his website excellent website at Ken Seibert Audio that inspired me to build these new segmented panels.

      In addition to the filter network I was using two 1-ohm resistors on the input side of the transformers. I took one of those out today and then did some tuning with the Behringer DEQ which got the treble response and balance where it needs to be. I can make the panels even brighter without extra EQ'ng if I were tp jump the first resistors feedings the center-most left/right wire groups. This is one reason I used several lower value resistors in series adding to the desired value, as opposed to a single full value resistor.

      A tougher issue is that I hear the diaphragm's drum-head resonance and it's quite bothersome. The resonance is apparently too close to the crossover frequency and it's being excited. Tomorrow I will try increasing the crossover filter slope from 24db to 48db/octave and, if need be, raise the x-over frequency from 218 to 250Hz to mitigate. Also contributing, I suspect, are the higher diaphragm tension (raised the resonance frequency) and the wire stators' greater open area (about 55%) provides less damping as compared to my old 40% open perf panels.

      I'm sure these new panels will sound great if I can get the drum-head resonance tamped down. And I sure hope those Soviet military rotary switches I bought on Ebay show up soon, so that I can compare the wide/narrow modes in near real-time.

      Jazz
      Jazz
      Jazzman's DIY Electrostatic Loudspeaker Page

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      • #4
        Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

        You are truly setting the bar for DIY, nicely done! I'm interested to see your project progress.
        I'm not deaf, I'm just not listening!

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        • #5
          Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

          I apparently over-tensioned the diaphragms and ended up with a nasty resonance at a higher frequency than I anticipated.

          I downloaded a tone generator App to my Ipad last night and used its tiny speaker to excite the diaphragm while I listened with my ear against the panel. I couldn't even hear the Ipad playing until the tone sweep rose above 80Hz, where it got louder as the sweep continued upscale. Still, I was able to hear the diaphragm respond in sympathetic resonance, like a tuning fork, at 115 Hz.

          Having found the resonance frequency, I used my Behringer DEQ to apply a very narrow-band -8db parametric EQ centered on that frequency; which tamped it down pretty well.

          All that's left to do is wire in the switches to make the dispersion pattern selectable-- wide (filter resistor circuits enabled) and narrow (filter resistor circuits defeated).
          Jazz
          Jazzman's DIY Electrostatic Loudspeaker Page

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          • #6
            Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

            Wow, that's a labor of love right there.
            Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

            Paul Carmody's DIY Audio Projects
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            • #7
              Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

              Last night I installed rotary switches to select wide or narrow dispersion-- so now my new segmented ESL's are finally completed.

              I have them playing in narrow dispersion mode this morning and I've not yet decided which mode I prefer, as each has advantages.

              The narrow mode gives spooky real imaging and amazing slam but can be a bit intense and piercing on loud passages. And of course, the narrow mode sweet spot is so tightly focused, it's really only good for solo listening at the focal point.

              Wide mode spreads out to eliminate the "head in a vice" effect and is not as in your face as the narrow mode, yet still retains quite good imaging without giving up much slam (can crank out 105 db's at 3 meters).

              Switching between wide/narrow dispersion modes takes about 90 seconds to crank the volume to zero (too much voltage to switch under load), turn the selector switches on each speaker, recall the saved EQ curve on the Behringer, and then crank the volume back up.

              I'm calling this project a success !

              Charlie

              El Cheapo Soviet military rotary switch (mode selector):
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              ESL panel, filter network and selector switch box:
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              Completed speaker (hybrid transmission line ESL with wide/narrow dispersion modes):
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              Jazz
              Jazzman's DIY Electrostatic Loudspeaker Page

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              • #8
                Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

                What an awesome project. I havent heard many ESLs, sadly just the Martin Logan offering at any and every Best Buy or HiFi shop. Id love to hear some DIY ones sometime.

                I have trouble maintaining the patience and concentration to build a set of two ways, so this is waaayyyyy out of my league [emoji1]

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                • #9
                  Re: Segmented ESL with selectable wide/narrow dispersion modes

                  Originally posted by dustinbagby View Post
                  ... I havent heard many ESLs, sadly just the Martin Logan offering at any and every Best Buy or HiFi shop. Id love to hear some DIY ones sometime.

                  I have trouble maintaining the patience and concentration to build a set of two ways, so this is waaayyyyy out of my league [emoji1]
                  There are far fewer high-end hi-fi stores these days and stores like Best Buy only sell the smaller ML's (if any); which really don't do justice to the capabilities of a full size bi-amp'd ESL.

                  Building the spliced welding rod stators for this project was a huge amount of tedious work, as I had never built segmented wire stators before. I would find easier ways if I were to do it again.

                  In contrast, non-segmented perf-metal stator ESL's are relatively easy and fast to build. I built my original perf-metal panels and the power supplies from scratch in a 3-day weekend. With perf-metal ESL's, the woodwork is the hard part!

                  I put a great deal of effort into compiling how-to info on my DIY ESL website to share with others. It's hugely rewarding to get emails from other builders who used my website as a guide.

                  Enjoy!
                  Charlie
                  Jazz
                  Jazzman's DIY Electrostatic Loudspeaker Page

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