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    I do a lot of listening these days in front of my main PC, where an "old" Logitech X-530 multimedia system provides the audio. This is a fairly cheap 5.1 system (list price was $80) when purchased. I'm able to correct most of the sonic transgressions of the satellites with a bit of EQ. The woofer module is another story. Results of a few measurements confirm that it is a 100 Hz "boom box", basically consisting of a high-Q 4 ohm driver with a 58.5 Hz Fs jammed into a small box that results in a sealed Fb of 84 Hz. On top of this, the box is vented @70 Hz or thereabouts. Stuffing the box with polyester fiberfill, sealing the vent and then trying to fix the response with EQ has helped a bit, but the amount of correction that's required is pretty large (up to 12.5dB @100 Hz), the bass is still not quite there yet, and the sound card starts gain-riding the output if I push any of the sliders for bass frequencies above the 0dB point, so that limits the amount of correction at hand even further.

    ​My idea is basically to toss the boom-box and replace it with a decent woofer module that can actually due 40 Hz without having to have a bit of smiley-EQ added. Power at hand is supposed to be 25W, but I'm guessing it's more like 12W, but because the new box is going to be corner-loaded, I doubt that I'd need anywhere near that.

    ​So, I've investigated a number of different options (including one that puts the DC165 into an offset TL capable of doing 30 Hz), but then reminded myself that this is a WOOFER module and it needs to have a pretty decent (i.e. smooth) response up to 200~300 Hz as well. I'd also like a smooth rolloff below Fb, to take advantage of the "room gain" my small bedroom provides.

    So I've done full circle and decided that perhaps going with a simple sealed alignment would be best for this particular need. I'm on the lookout now for any relatively inexpensive 4 ohm drivers that can hit an Fb/F3 of ~40 Hz in a small (~1 cu.ft. or less) box. Any suggestions? So far I've only found one or two car audio 8" drivers that can do the job, like the NVX VSW82V2, which can do what I want in a 30 liter cabinet. It is $70 though, so I'm looking for other options....
    Brian Steele
    www.diysubwoofers.org

  • #2
    Nd105/nd140, but not sealed

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    • #3
      Gee, read your post and went to the woofer selection guide. Sealed, 40 Hz 1 ft3 seems fall into the 10" and 12" car sub category. And with a goal of budget replacement, likely junk car sub category.

      Going ported opens up a world of possibilities: Voxel using the TB 1138SMF 5.25 ($38) or the ND140-4 ($31) come to mind: lower to mid 30s and they'll do 300 Hz. And you can always adjust the port for a slower roll-off. Sensitivity is low but as you say, it's a small bedroom and corner loaded. Maybe output will only be an issue when your vacuuming .

      I built an MDF test box with a removable baffle (sheet rock screws) that used a short PVC port with a coupler inside. I could then test various port lengths by adding different lengths of PVC to the coupler. You could always glue the baffle down once you nail down tuning.

      BTW: Looked up the Logitech specs. Stated woofer power is 25 Wrms into 4 ohms with 10% THD at 100 Hz. I wonder if the amp has some serious HP in the low end to keep the stock woofer from blowing up. You could build an excellent sub only to find out the Logitech amp won't utilize it. A good DVM could measure voltage to the woofer at various test tone frequencies to verify that. I have a simple PC test tone generator you can down load from my google drive. WinISD has a tone generator as well.

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      • #4
        Maybe GRS 10SW-4 or the GRS 8SW-4.

        GRS 10SW-4 10" Poly Cone Subwoofer 4 OhmNow you can replace blown or damaged subwoofers with new drivers that equal or outperform the original! GRS poly cone subwoofers are not only the perfect replacement for tired, worn out subwoofers in a variety of audio gear, but they are also a great choice for new designs. Their handsome polypropylene cones provide durability and good looks, while the large vented magnet assemblies and extended voice coils enable long-throw performance and authoritative bass in a variety of enclosures. The 10" model features a 2" diameter voice coil with big 8.5mm excursion for solid bass performance in compact sealed and vented enclosures. These versatile subs are also rugged enough to be used in dipole and automotive infinite baffle applications. See the below list of recommended enclosure alignments for new design.Recommended sealed enclosure: Vb = 1.0 ft^3, F3 = 42 Hz, Qtc: 1.17Recommended vented enclosure: Vb = 1.5 ft^3, Fb = 35 Hz, F3 = 32 Hz


        GRS 8SW-4 8" Poly Cone Subwoofer 4 OhmNow you can replace blown or damaged subwoofers with new drivers that equal or outperform the original! GRS poly cone subwoofers are the perfect replacement for tired, worn-out subwoofers in a variety of audio gear and even work great for new designs. Their handsome polypropylene cones provide durability and good looks, while the large vented magnet assemblies and extended voice coils enable long-throw performance and authoritative bass in a variety of enclosures. The 8" model features a 1-1/2" diameter voice coil with extended 6mm excursion for solid bass performance in compact sealed and vented enclosures. These versatile subs are also rugged enough to be used in dipole and automotive infinite baffle applications. See the below list of recommended enclosure alignments for new designs.Recommended sealed enclosure: 1.0 ft^3, F3 = 48 Hz, Qtc: 1.16Recommended vented enclosure: 1.0 ft^3, Fb = 40 Hz, F3 = 34 Hz


        In either case maybe with a passive assist to move F3 down a bit?

        Can not beat the price.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Millstonemike View Post
          Gee, read your post and went to the woofer selection guide. Sealed, 40 Hz 1 ft3 seems fall into the 10" and 12" car sub category. And with a goal of budget replacement, likely junk car sub category.
          ​Yeah, but that's car audio for you. Boxes are likely quite a bit undersized to improve power handling. I'm actually judging based on published t/s parameters. It seems that, for 8" drivers, some car audio drivers actually seem to make better drivers for sealed home subwoofer duty than their home audio brethren...! There are some old JBL and Infinity 8" car audio drivers that would have also been a good match, but alas they're no longer available.


          Originally posted by Millstonemike View Post
          Going ported opens up a world of possibilities: Voxel using the TB 1138SMF 5.25 ($38) or the ND140-4 ($31) come to mind: lower to mid 30s and they'll do 300 Hz. And you can always adjust the port for a slower roll-off. Sensitivity is low but as you say, it's a small bedroom and corner loaded. Maybe output will only be an issue when your vacuuming .
          ​I really want to try avoid going with a vented alignment for this particular project. I will have a look at those suggestions though to see if I can be persuaded to reconsider .


          Originally posted by Millstonemike View Post
          BTW: Looked up the Logitech specs. Stated woofer power is 25 Wrms into 4 ohms with 10% THD at 100 Hz. I wonder if the amp has some serious HP in the low end to keep the stock woofer from blowing up. You could build an excellent sub only to find out the Logitech amp won't utilize it. A good DVM could measure voltage to the woofer at various test tone frequencies to verify that. I have a simple PC test tone generator you can down load from my google drive. WinISD has a tone generator as well.
          ​Yup, that was one of my first concerns. Apparently the amp's output peaks at 60 Hz (yes, BELOW Fb of the original box!) and rolls off slowly above and below that . Output is still useful to 40 Hz and below though, and of course I've got the EQ on my computer to compensate for that slow roll-off if I need to.
          Brian Steele
          www.diysubwoofers.org

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          • #6
            How about the DC-160-4 in a half-cu. ft. ported? Should reach the mid 30's and a budget 2.5-3 mH iron core inductor should roll off the top-end...

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            • #7
              #290-307 (6" GW) looks like it'll do mid 40s in 1cf, sealed.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Brian Steele View Post
                ... Apparently the amp's output peaks at 60 Hz (yes, BELOW Fb of the original box!) and rolls off slowly above and below that . Output is still useful to 40 Hz and below though, and of course I've got the EQ on my computer to compensate for that slow roll-off if I need to.
                Well, if you do wind up ported, you can compensate for the low end roll-off with box tuning. Everyone seems to love the TB 1138SMF based Voxel. Given your amp power, you could probably get an F3 of 30 Hz with an EBS alignment.

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