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  • Paperweight
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    Thank you, that is the final bit of info I needed.

    This might end up working out. Got a chance to try out the Jasper 280 Pro circle jig. It works really well.
    Last edited by Paperweight; 04-11-2021, 12:27 AM.

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  • Jim Holtz
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    Originally posted by Paperweight View Post
    1. So it's ok if the front and rear PVC support braces are cut clean through? No more 1/2" recess with 1/4" left for the mid-tunnel to sit in/on? Just a simple 6 5/8" hole cut in the centers of each 9 1/2" X 7 1/2" PVC support brace?

    Any transition need to be shaped behind the driver?

    2. A simple 6" hole is all you need then in the back panel?

    I'm terribly sorry for all the pedantic trouble. Even I hate myself at this point. If I told someone to leave out the 7" recess, they probably wouldn't cut anything out at all without being told exactly. Think Amelia Bedelia and literal thinking.
    Just a simple 6 5/8" hole through the support braces which should exactly fit 6" PVC external dimensions available at most home stores like Home Depot etc. I always do a 3/4" roundover on the inside of the inner front baffle for a smooth transition. You can also do a 45 degree angle cut if you prefer. Just make it flare into the into the PVC from the front baffle. I usually just cut a rough hole in the back panel in the middle of the mid PVC tunnel and then use a flush trim bit to create a perfect hole in the back.

    Forget about all the recesses that applied to the Finalists, they are are not used or needed on the Travelers.

    I'll try to get a picture of the mid tube stuffing when I get time and post it.

    Jim
    Last edited by Jim Holtz; 04-07-2021, 10:28 PM.

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  • Paperweight
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    I was talking about the back panel. The arrow is pointing at the back of the front panel.

  • Paperweight
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    1. So it's ok if the front and rear PVC support braces are cut clean through? No more 1/2" recess with 1/4" left for the mid-tunnel to sit in/on? Just a simple 6 5/8" hole cut in the centers of each 9 1/2" X 7 1/2" PVC support brace?

    Any transition need to be shaped behind the driver?

    2. A simple 6" hole is all you need then in the back panel?

    I'm terribly sorry for all the pedantic trouble. Even I hate myself at this point. If I told someone to leave out the 7" recess, they probably wouldn't cut anything out at all without being told exactly. Think Amelia Bedelia and literal thinking.
    Last edited by Paperweight; 04-07-2021, 05:04 PM.

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  • Jim Holtz
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    Originally posted by sam View Post

    The Travelers are similar to the Finalists in mounting the 6" PVC. Perhaps this is what the recess refers to. The area that accepts the 6" PVC pipe.
    Just ignore the external mid tube recess which was for the mid tube plug that is not used on the Travelers.

    Here are the key notes from the documentation;

    1. The 6 5/8” OD PVC pipe is cut to 13 ½” in length to allow it to butt against the inner front and rear
    baffles and be glued in place. The inner front and rear PVC support panels position them and provide a solid front/rear connection when they and the PVC are all glued together.
    2. Ignore the 7” ( ½”) recess cutout. It was originally intended for an option on the Finalist cabinet to
    plug the mid but no closed back mid crossover was designed for the Travelers so don’t cut the Travelers Speakers Cabinet Drawing-updated.pdf recess.
    3. Holes in window brace are flexible – please just leave 2inches on the front/back/sides for rigidity
    4. Port size is 2.5inches in diameter and 7 3/4in in length

    Also Curt posted a TL cabinet for those that were interested for the Finalist long ago that should help in the layout. I've never built a TL cabinet so I don't know if Curt's or Pauls are different. Check with Paul for that.

    HTH

    Jim
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  • sam
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    ***Still not sure where this recess in the back panel is to tell someone to leave it out. Is it on the inside or out? Depth and a recess are so hard to guage in a non-exploded drawing where everything is assembled already. There's 3 or 4 edges to try to squint at and make sense of on that back panel.

    Is this recess for the mid plug (not going to use it, just need to know where it is so I understand this clearly when it gets messed up again) cut from the outside of the back panel? Depth of 1/2" x 1/2" wide leaving a 1/4" thick lip? Almost need a machinist drawing of the piece to figure this out..[/QUOTE]

    The Travelers are similar to the Finalists in mounting the 6" PVC. Perhaps this is what the recess refers to. The area that accepts the 6" PVC pipe.

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  • Paperweight
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    One other thing I noticed while perusing over the Finalists and Travelers cabinet drawings. The Finalists specifies a 13" PVC pipe while the Travelers states a 13 1/2" pipe. Both have the same internal width of 13 1/2" front to back. I understand the 13" pipe length used in the Finalists if both the front and back braces have a 1/4" lip the PVC pipe sits on. Is this not the same in the Travelers? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    ***Still not sure where this recess in the back panel is to tell someone to leave it out. Is it on the inside or out? Depth, width and a recess are so hard to guage in a non-exploded drawing where everything is assembled already. There's 3 or 4 edges to try to squint at and make sense of on that back panel.

    Is this recess for the mid plug (not going to use it, just need to know where it is so I understand this clearly when it gets messed up again) cut from the outside of the back panel? Depth of 1/2" x 1/2" wide leaving a 1/4" thick lip? Almost need a machinist drawing of the piece to figure this out.

    I think my cabinet guy might have cut that part out when I really didn't need it. Go figure.

    Looked at what he cut. Appears to be a 7" hole with 1/2" deep recess, 1" wide. So I assume without that, it is just a plain 6" hole?
    Last edited by Paperweight; 04-07-2021, 01:07 PM.

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  • Jim Holtz
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    Originally posted by Paperweight View Post
    Also a question for Jim Holtz if he is around. Meniscus sent a printed instruction sheet that is copy pasted from the Finalist speakers. It includes the bit about plugging the mid tunnel and the recess on the back panel for that. I believe I have seen you say somewhere that was not an option for the Travelers design. How should the PVC tunnel be mounted between and inside the support braces (caulking or weather stripping for air seal?) and what is the proper material and way of stuffing the mid tunnel to stop standing waves? Thanks!
    Sorry, I've been in Arizona for the last couple months and just returned home.

    So to answer your question, the mid tunnel is attached the same as the Finalist and is glued in place with the support. The difference is, the Travelers do not have the option of a closed back mid so the recess is not necessary. The stuffing instructions should have been included in the kit. If not, email me and I'll get yu the info.
    HTH

    Jim

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  • Paperweight
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    I didn't know it was supposed to be in the front half only. Thanks for that tip. I assume an even spread across the front. Anything special for treatment behind the woofer?
    Last edited by Paperweight; 04-06-2021, 10:36 PM.

  • Paperweight
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    I'm not a woodworker so I need some clarity on a couple of points to help explain what is needed when I find someone to cut this out correctly for the second time.

    Under the key notes on the instruction sheet

    1. There is a 1/2 inch recess in the mid-tunnel brace to counter-sink the 6 inch PVC pipe.

    Which brace is that? The one in the front or the back of the cabinet? Apparently that was confusing or completely ignored by my cabinet guy. He just cut 6 5/8" holes through both braces clean through along with cutting the braces 9 1/2" x 7" instead of the required 9 1/2" X 7 1/2". I'm still shaking my head on that.

    2. There is a 1/2" recess in the mid-tunnel cutout in the rear baffle (in case you want to plug the mid-tunnel)

    Is this on the inside or outside of the back panel? Might seem like a dumb question but after the relatively simple braces were cut wrong, it is worth asking to save on further mistakes. I most likely won't plug the tunnel though.

    Any clarity on both questions would be appreciated. A photo of properly cut braces and a properly routed back panel would be worth it's weight in gold.

    Thanks

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  • Paul K.
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    For the ML-TL compartment, the dimensions shown on your drawing match those on my drawing I included early in this thread. Don't forget that the front half of the folded line is filled with polyester fiber top to bottom at a density of 0.75 lb/ft3.Paul

  • Paperweight
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    Also a question for Jim Holtz if he is around. Meniscus sent a printed instruction sheet that is copy pasted from the Finalist speakers. It includes the bit about plugging the mid tunnel and the recess on the back panel for that. I believe I have seen you say somewhere that was not an option for the Travelers design. How should the PVC tunnel be mounted between and inside the support braces (caulking or weather stripping for air seal?) and what is the proper material and way of stuffing the mid tunnel to stop standing waves? Thanks!

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  • Paperweight
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    This took a little while to draw up. The scanner cut off the bottom measurement of 15 1/2" for the total width including the outer front baffle. I haven't put this much effort into a pencil drawing since 1994 in drafting class. I wasn't very good at it but I hope this is passable and readable.

    Cut List:

    Inner front baffle and Back panel: 43 1/4" X 9 1/2" 3/4" thick, 2 per speaker
    Outer front baffle: 44 3/4" X 11" ** 1/2" thick **, 1 per speaker
    Side Panels: 44 3/4" X 15" 3/4" thick, 2 per speaker
    Top and Bottom panel: 9 1/2" X 15" 3/4" thick, 2 per speaker

    PVC support panels: 9 1/2" X 7 1/2" 3/4" thick, 2 per speaker
    Inner Solid panel for top of woofer section: 13 1/2" X 9 1/2" 3/4" thick, 1 per speaker
    ML-TL main center panel: 24 7/8" X 9 1/2" 3/4" thick, 1 per speaker
    Window Braces: 9 1/2" X 6 3/8" 3/4" thick, 4 per speaker

    I believe this is correct but I'm not 100% sure. Any corrections would be HIGHLY appreciated before any poor baltic birch plywood is further wasted.

    For some weird reason, my cabinet builder made the mid tunnel supports 7 inches instead of 7 1/2" which is strange since he regularly builds Cambell Holtz speaker cabinets. I need to get him a PDF copy of the instructions if I can get Meniscus to answer an email.

    This whole thing is turning into a bad comedy of errors. I was mad at first but now I'm at the point of laughing about it all.
    Last edited by Paperweight; 04-18-2021, 11:45 PM.

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  • djg
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    I had some old guys at a big box store cut a 4x8 sheet into parts for a dollhouse long ago. They screwed it up. They got nasty with me when I pointed out their error. Be careful, it's only wood.

  • Paperweight
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    Using the 3/4" thick inner front baffle with holes for the speakers for this explanation, the mid center is 8 1/4" from the top with the top panel in place. Without the 3/4" thick top panel, it is 7 1/2" from the top edge of the front panel to the mid center. The parts that hold the mid in place are 7 1/2". Cut that in half you have 3 3/4". Add that to the mid center line mark for 11 1/4" and the solid panel goes under that adding 3/4" for 12" total down the front panel without the top panel in place. Paul K's diagram measures from the bottom of that solid divider panel to above the bottom panel for 31 1/4". That is the TL center panel that is 24 7/8" plus the 6 3/8" to the bottom of the panel that seals the top of the woofer section. So the panel(s) have to be 43 1/4" for it to all fit. Add the top and bottom 3/4" panels for another 1 1/2" inches to get the total height of 44 3/4".

    I think I figured this up right. So now it was off by an inch. It probably doesn't matter but it would bug me to no end. As mentioned, it was already messed up to the point of the TL being somewhat correct and glued with yellow PVA wood glue in place but the woofer enclosure top panel was going to interfere with the mid tunnel by that inch the cabinet was off by. What was I supposed to do? I'm not a woodworker and I stupidly assumed the cabinet guy knew what he was doing. This is extremely frustrating.
    Last edited by Paperweight; 04-05-2021, 09:11 AM.

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