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everything Bill says I agree with. But why would you build a line array in bookshelf? May as well use the space under the speaker.
for instance - consider this.
3 way bookshelf vs 3 way towers.
One you place on the stand and the other you extend the baffle and go to the floor.
why would you build the 3 way bookshelf?
Apart from portability/transportability I can’t see a good reason.
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everything Bill says I agree with. But why would you build a line array in bookshelf? May as well use the space under the speaker.
for instance - consider this.
3 way bookshelf vs 3 way towers.
One you place on the stand and the other you extend the baffle and go to the floor.
why would you build the 3 way bookshelf?
Apart from portability/transportability I can’t see a good reason.
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Originally posted by tktran View Post
3 way bookshelf vs 3 way towers.
One you place on the stand and the other you extend the baffle and go to the floor.
why would you build the 3 way bookshelf?
Apart from portability/transportability I can’t see a good reason.
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Originally posted by tktran View Postwhy would you build a line array in bookshelf? .
One you place on the stand and the other you extend the baffle and go to the floor.
why would you build the 3 way bookshelf
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Originally posted by billfitzmaurice View PostWhy indeed. That's why mine are hung on the wall.
I think you've missed the point of the thread. It's not 3 way bookshelf versus 3 way floor stander, it's full rangers in one box versus separate subs and mains.
Based on the original question... it should be surmised that the majority of people think tower speakers are the speaker of choice over a standmount or a bookshelf (whether or not you choose to use a sub or subs)."The ability of any system to produce exceptional sound will be limited mainly by the capability of the speakers" Jim Salk
"Audio is surely a journey full of revelations as you go" JasonP
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Here's a "3 way bookshelf" I could do, I have the flat pack already.
Jeez, look at that crossover.
https://sites.google.com/view/sehlin...ions/zirconium
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Originally posted by mattsk8 View Post… per the original post, it should be assumed the original question related to a bookshelf or stand mounted speaker with a subwoofer, verses a full range "tower" speaker with no subwoofer.
Originally posted by mattsk8 View Postis using external subwoofers with small speakers better than large, full range towers
Originally posted by mattsk8 View PostBased on the original question... it should be surmised that the majority of people think tower speakers are the speaker of choice over a standmount or a bookshelf (whether or not you choose to use a sub or subs).
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I had tower L/R speakers for years. Not big woofer 3 ways but big enough. I ditched them and went real small for a while, now I'm midsize with 5 1/4" MTMs, stand mounted.
If you want a pair of big woofer towers, build some. Build a sub or two also and add the subs in for the dinosaurs HT vs stereo music. See what you think with your ears in your room with your media and electronics. Just my opinion.
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For non-home theater most people probably use a tower or even stand mounted speakers without subwoofer due to aesthetics and/or limited space. And as many have stated, in the real world these can sound just fine.
In theory, and sometimes in reality, the room effects and listening position are going to create problems that only separate sub (and maybe multiples) can address.
For serious home theater a separate sub or subs is more likely going to be needed because the optimal placement is almost never the same as where you will place the L/R mains.
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Originally posted by JonathanPenner View Post
This is indeed the question I asked, though I don’t think Bill is off the mark with a relatively compact line array. I presume this is similar to what he’s referring to, which is much smaller than the floor-to-ceiling arrays I’ve seen: https://billfitzmaurice.info/TLAH.html
This is the question I should have asked, and more at the heart of what I was trying to understand.
This is the conclusion I’ve drawn as well. I have yet to read Bill’s article on boundary cancellation, but I am curious to know how measurable and noticeable the cancellation effects are in my own room, and more significantly, how much their effects may sway my future design decisions based on all the other factors mentioned in this thread.
Your questions were good ones and it was fun reading most of the responses. My suggestion would be to listen to some well designed speakers. I know the caveat is finding someone with a respectable system to do that. Not sure what area you're in but the various DIY shows are a good place to hear a lot of different designs.
I've done a lot of different builds and in my opinion, there isn't one solid answer to your question. It really depends on your listening habits, room, budget, and what equipment you have or are willing to purchase (amp, preamp, source). Speaker building can be a volcano that we all throw our money in, but it's a lot of fun. And none of this is to discourage you, rather encourage you and try to help you think it thru. But, if you like SPL, there is no replacement for displacement
"The ability of any system to produce exceptional sound will be limited mainly by the capability of the speakers" Jim Salk
"Audio is surely a journey full of revelations as you go" JasonP
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Sorry if someone mentioned this and I missed it...
...But one of my main reasons for doing small tower speakers is just a space thing. If you make a standard two-way speaker with a 5-7" woofer and place it on a stand, you have basically wasted space underneath the speaker that you could be using to create additional satisfying bass. I realize that an attractive stand has less visual impact than just making the box go all the way to the floor, and that may be better looking depending on your point of view, even I find narrow stands with a small two-way on top attractive....
However, if your speaker is designed to be narrow enough, you can mount the bottom sub driver facing to the side and it all can fit in there fairly decently without taking up much space. I've done small curved towers with side-firing PR's and they work fine, one could use a sub driver and PR in this same configuration.
As for how two woofers/subwoofers will interact with your room at that same location as your main speakers -- it's up to the room really -- but I don't usually seem to find it a huge problem in my implementations of this setup. Perfect world -- you'd position subwoofers where they'll do the most good/least damage to overall frequency response in the room, but that's kind of like a rule-of-thumb that we all bend here and there anyway.
As for the larger woofer argument making more impactful upper bass/lower midrange, I find that to be a thing as well, though I mostly make smaller driver speakers at this point and like their sound also. It amazes me how two or three speakers with basically the same response curve "on a graph" can sound so different one from another. I amaze easily, though.
Just my two cents; probably ain't even worth that much.
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"It amazes me how two or three speakers with basically the same response curve "on a graph" can sound so different one from another."
This.
Another forum member and I have discussed this numerous times (not argued, but discussed - as in I keep asking "WHY?") Sometimes I hear speakers that sound BIG or at least BIGGER than they ought to, especially when compared to other speakers in the same room in sometimes the exact same position Yes, I know the laws of physics dictates that two bodies cannot occupy the same space at the same time; that's why we moved the other speakers first. (I didn't want the wise one to correct my on the laws of physics) They can even measure almost identically or at least very similarly, but one will sound vastly different.
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