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  • I built the late Jeff Bagby's Continuum design. Certainly a well known DIY speaker. Included in the kit documentation was an interior picture of the original Bagby built solid maple item. The chosen acoustic treatment was eggcrate mattress topper foam, really stuffed in there. I used the much thinner gray pyramid acoustic foam included in the kit. It's a matter of faith in my mind that the late designer greenlighted this material.

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    • Originally posted by djg View Post
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      That might just work. Of course, the smell is strong until it dries. But, probably worth a try as I do have alot of insulation left over from the bathroom and basement remodel

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        A man my age loves that smell.

    • Yeah. I remember my mom used it when I was a kid

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      • Originally posted by 981CS View Post
        Perhaps I missed it, but what is the actual impedance of the Pit Viper? I've been waiting for a good DIY design like this that I could build and it'd look properly paired with a vintage 70's receiver if executed correctly. However, a lot of us stay away from "modern" speakers (of this design) because we really don't want to push ~3.4ohms with a 40+ year old receiver (looking at you Wharfedale Lintons).


        We have those memories of a friend's dad who had a Cerwin-Vega or JBL setup like this that'd slam your chest with bass. We still want that...only with a bit of actual sound-staging and accuracy now.
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        This is the system impedance of the Pit Vipers. I've written about this before on my site, but to simply boil down a speaker to a single number for its impedance is very misleading, because it varies across the frequency spectrum. I suppose what matters most is the impedance MINIMA (also sometimes the phase angle, but that's a story for another day), which in the case of the Pit Vipers does get down to 4 Ohms at a few places. But in my defense, so do a lot of commercial speakers labeled "8 Ohms nominal."

        https://sites.google.com/site/undefi...iverimpedances

        Some sites like Stereophile at least measure the Impedance of their speakers when they do a review of them. And this makes for a good comparison. With that said, I did look up their measurements of the Wharfdale LInton (https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements), and the Impedance measurement has some similarities to the Pit Vipers. I think theirs might dip a TINY bit lower. But bottom line, a powerful amp with big watts is going to be more fun with these than something with flea wattage. But I did test them with a Lepai 2020, FWIW.

        To quote from my page:
        It should go without saying, however, that you ought to drive these with an amp with a healthy amount of power, regardless. With 100 Watts, you should be able to get around 108 dB. Technically, the woofer can probably take more; according to the simulations, it should be able to get to 111 dB (@200 Watts) before xmax becomes a problem. You may want to use beefier resistors in the crossover than the standard 10 Watt-rated ones we'd normally use if you plan on driving them this hard for extended periods of time.
        Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

        Paul Carmody's DIY Audio Projects
        Twitter: @undefinition1

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        • Some companies do indeed play fast and loose with nominal impedance figures (like Wharfedale). However, others tend to be a lot more forthcoming (like Elac with the AJ designs) and list impedance as the lowest value.

          I think this design could likely be listed as "4 ohm" nominal. I agree that you'll want to bring some quality watts to the table to drive these, probably even at lower volumes so that you don't miss out on the dynamics that they appear to be capable of.

          Appreciate the design though as this genre of speaker isn't represented a lot anymore. These still have appeal to a lot of folks.

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          • Got the grill frames made and powder coated today. Click image for larger version

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