SDC (not MWAF) 2022 fallout thread....

[PWR RYD]

Seems judge 2 was a bit of a low bass junky and almost always scored projects lower than the other two. In his defense it must be pretty hard to judge so many projects with just a few minutes to hear each of them. Probably stayed seated in the same spot all day.

At DIY Iowa, InDIYana, and Meniscus/CSS events speakers play for at least 10 minutes... much longer if you consider the Friday and Saturday evening informal listening sessions. And a lot of us get up and move around to hear the speakers both on axis and off axis, front of the room and back to hear if there is are room induced nulls.

Anyway, good job to everyone who made the effort to travel to Dayton and enter a project. And that's all I have to say about that ;)

[Wolf]

I'd agree to move the speakers to the communal room. Hopefully that wouldn't conflict with insurance/fire code. If I remember right there seemed to be lots of unused space under the 2nd story, behind the announcement/award table.

Also the interviewing spot seemed suuuper awkward.

If the speakers are no longer in the room next to the judging room, then maybe photos, interviews, and staging could be done in that room instead. That would better segregate the social and jam room from the event work. Keeping the social areas more cohesive, potentially streamlining the event work, and hopefully giving a more controlled/calm environment for interviews.

I didn't even know you were there. I would have liked to have met you. It's possible we did cross paths and converse but I'm not positive that I met you. Maybe next time in Indiana we can make for sure that I know who you are and put a face to your name.
Wolf

[DrewsBrews]

I'd agree to move the speakers to the communal room. Hopefully that wouldn't conflict with insurance/fire code. If I remember right there seemed to be lots of unused space under the 2nd story, behind the announcement/award table.

Also the interviewing spot seemed suuuper awkward.

If the speakers are no longer in the room next to the judging room, then maybe photos, interviews, and staging could be done in that room instead. That would better segregate the social and jam room from the event work. Keeping the social areas more cohesive, potentially streamlining the event work, and hopefully giving a more controlled/calm environment for interviews.

[AdamM3]

Nighthawk SP30

Over 300

Judge 1
Clarity 9 * Craftsmanship 10 * Dynamic range 8 * Originality/design 9 * Soundstage/Imaging 9 * Tonal Balance 9 * Average 9
T1: great bass. Great Image! Disappear. T2: Good vocal, good spacing, good pace. T3: Very good. Good vocals, details. female voice very good. Great!

Judge 2
Clarity 9 * Craftsmanship 10 * Dynamic range 9 * Originality/design 10 * Soundstage/Imaging 10 * Tonal Balance 8 * Average 9.3
Low bass weak. Sense of depth good. Good definition. Transients good. Detail of inflection in female voice good. Good separation of voices. Soundstage good. Male voices slightly heavy.

Judge 3
Clarity 9 * Craftsmanship 9 * Dynamic range 8 * Originality/design 9 * Soundstage/Imaging 9 * Tonal Balance 8 * Average 8.67
T1: Nice soundstage. T2: Nice center image, Good bass impact, tonal balance of a little around 1khz. T3: voice a little forward, again 1-2khz, nice bass, open soundstage.

​​​​​​​Total: 162. Average: 9

[jhollander]

I'm a tougher critic

[jhollander]

They are correct. Fan favorite trumps placing? I'm OK with trading

[Billet]

The B12s

Over $300 class

Clarity 9, 4, 8
Craftsmanship 7, 5, 5
Dynamic Range 6, 5, 8
Originality/Design 7, 5, 5
Soundstage/Imaging 8, 4, 7
Total Balance 7, 5, 8

Good image, good space, clear, clean, guitars good, they sing!, good vocal, instruments great

Low bass weak, soundstage weak, transients a little soft, some congestion of voices, male voice has bump

No low bass, good tonal balance, great job!, nice tonal balance / response, tweeter level good, good soundstage, center image not great / ok, good tonal balance

Total 113
Average 6.28

[ugly woofer]

Judging by the comments, it would seem that judge 2cwas in a different room.

[ugly woofer]

Hey John, are you sure that your numbers are right for your under $300 entry? By my numbers I'm ahead of you.

[ugly woofer]

Over $300
Mnemosyne SP39
Judge 1
Clarity 9 * Craftsmanship 10 * Dynamic range 9 * Originality/design 6 * Soundstage/imaging 9 * Tonal balance 9 * Average 8.67
T1: Good bass, good sense of space, very good! T2: Fun! Great pace - toe tapping! Want to sing along. Good T3: Good vocal

Judge 2
Clarity 7 * Craftsmanship 6 * Dynamic range 9 * Originality/design 6 * Soundstage/imaging 6 * Tonal balance 7 * Average 6.5
Low bass weak, soundstage depth limited, place between speakers, transients good, dynamics good. string sound good, male voice good

Judge 3
Clarity 9 * Craftsmanship 9.5 * Dynamic range 9 * Originality/design 8 * Soundstage/imaging 7 * Tonal balance 7 * Average 8.25
T1: clarity , good bass T2: Little forward in the 2-3khz? , good dynamics T3: Nice soundstage, smooth bass response

Total 140.5 Average 7.8

Under $300
Carl & Stuart SP40
Judge 1
Clarity 10 * Craftsmanship 10 * Dynamic range 7 * Originality/design 10 * Soundstage/imaging 9 * Tonal Balance 9 * Average 9.17
T!: Great vocal! Great image. Nice! T2: Nice vocal, JT sounds like JT. Nice layers of sound. T3: Great vocal Fantastic!!

Judge 2
Clarity 7 * Craftsmanship 10 * Dynamic range 5 * Originality/design 10 * Soundstage/imaging 6 * Tonal balance 5 * Average 7.17
Upper bass heavy, low bass weak, voices heavy, imaging two dimensional, good separation of voices, transients a little soft, high laugh content.

Judge 3
Clarity 8 * craftsmanship 10 * Dynamic range 8 * Originality 10 * Soundstage/imaging 9 * Tonal Balance 8 * Average 8.83
T1: Great center image! Good bass volume, little boomy, nice tonal balance. T2: Sounds good, bass boost slightly. T3: Good soundstage, could use a little more tweeter, port farting a little!

Total 151 Average 8.39

[ugly woofer]

John can you or anyone else tell me why you received a 7 for craftsmanship. There was absolutely nothing wrong with your build quality.

[Wolf]

Me neither.

[ugly woofer]

That would be judge #2

[jhollander]

Copying Tom's format

MWAF 2022 Judges scores
Mini LX521 * SP08 * John Hollander
JUDGE 1:
*Clarity: 8 *Craftsmanship: 10 *Dynamic Range: 7 *Originality/Design: 8 *Soundstage/Imaging: 9 *Tonal Balance: 8
JUDGE 2:
Did not like
*Clarity: 7 *Craftsmanship: 8 *Dynamic Range: 4 *Originality/Design: 8 *Soundstage/Imaging: 4 *Tonal Balance: 3
JUDGE 3:
*Clarity: 8 *Craftsmanship: 9.5 *Dynamic Range: 7.5 *Originality/Design: 9 *Soundstage/Imaging: 7 *Tonal Balance: 6
ALL SCORES TOTAL: 131 * AVERAGE: 7.27

LR Mains* SP11 * John Hollander
JUDGE 1:
*Clarity: 7 *Craftsmanship: 7 *Dynamic Range: 7 *Originality/Design: 6 *Soundstage/Imaging: 7 *Tonal Balance: 8
JUDGE 2:
*Clarity: 9 *Craftsmanship: 9 *Dynamic Range: 8 *Originality/Design: 8 *Soundstage/Imaging: 10 *Tonal Balance: 9
JUDGE 3:
*Clarity: 8 *Craftsmanship: 9 *Dynamic Range: 8 *Originality/Design: 7 *Soundstage/Imaging: 9 *Tonal Balance: 9
ALL SCORES TOTAL: 145 * AVERAGE: 8.05

[jhollander]

Nick's Mnemosynes had that in spades, rpb. Big woofer, monkey coffin, big sound.

Wolf

Not sure how those did not place. I'm thinking the small room was an issue.