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    Hey guys. I need some help putting together a HT system for my buddy. it will be a 5.1 setup. He is looking to spend about 800-1000 on it. before wood and other building supplies. And that includes a reciever also. I was thinking just a pretty basic reciever, 200-300 range.

    The subwoofer: I was thinking the shiva-x right now because its on sale, and also the dayton HPSA 500 watt amp, because its also on sale. So about 600ish for the reciever and the subwoofer/amp.

    Speakers: Im a little unsure of what this setup should be. The HT system would probably be used 60/40 for HT/Music. I am probably going to tune the subwoofer to 20 hz because he really likes movies to rip. SO I thought of doing some towers as mains, with two 6.5 in woofers? to pick up some bass for music listening? What do you guys think?

    This doesn't need to be reference sounding, we are both 20 and don't really care about that. as long as its loud and pretty clean sounding, that is fine.

    Center/surrounds: for the center I was just thinking MTM setup using 5.25 in woofers or something. Just something that sounds really clean. Maybe dayton reference woofers? and a silk dome tweeter also

    the surrounds do not need to be anything special. just a TM setup. simple 2-way. Same as center, just use 5.25 woofer or so.

    As for crossovers, would I be ok just using pre-made dayton crossovers? or should I build my own? the simpler the better in this case. Like I said, as long as it's clean sounding thats fine.

    We planned to do this project over christmas, as we have a month break for college. SO there is a while to plan all this out before we start?

    Any ideas or suggestions would be great.
    What's life without a little boom...

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    Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

    Originally posted by Tony Nelson View Post
    Hey guys. I need some help putting together a HT system for my buddy. it will be a 5.1 setup. He is looking to spend about 800-1000 on it. before wood and other building supplies. And that includes a reciever also. I was thinking just a pretty basic reciever, 200-300 range.

    The subwoofer: I was thinking the shiva-x right now because its on sale, and also the dayton HPSA 500 watt amp, because its also on sale. So about 600ish for the reciever and the subwoofer/amp.

    Speakers: Im a little unsure of what this setup should be. The HT system would probably be used 60/40 for HT/Music. I am probably going to tune the subwoofer to 20 hz because he really likes movies to rip. SO I thought of doing some towers as mains, with two 6.5 in woofers? to pick up some bass for music listening? What do you guys think?

    This doesn't need to be reference sounding, we are both 20 and don't really care about that. as long as its loud and pretty clean sounding, that is fine.

    Center/surrounds: for the center I was just thinking MTM setup using 5.25 in woofers or something. Just something that sounds really clean. Maybe dayton reference woofers? and a silk dome tweeter also

    the surrounds do not need to be anything special. just a TM setup. simple 2-way. Same as center, just use 5.25 woofer or so.

    As for crossovers, would I be ok just using pre-made dayton crossovers? or should I build my own? the simpler the better in this case. Like I said, as long as it's clean sounding thats fine.

    We planned to do this project over christmas, as we have a month break for college. SO there is a while to plan all this out before we start?

    Any ideas or suggestions would be great.
    That doesn't leave a whole lot for speakers. Go to Curt's pages and look at the TriTrix MTM and TM's for surrounds. The MTM is available in kit form from PE.
    http://www.geocities.com/cc00541/
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      Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

      I just talked to my buddy...He said he will spend 1000 on speakers, reciever not included. So that leaves like 600 or so for speakers.

      Can you masterminds throw something together for much?
      What's life without a little boom...

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        Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

        Originally posted by Tony Nelson View Post
        I just talked to my buddy...He said he will spend 1000 on speakers, reciever not included. So that leaves like 600 or so for speakers.

        Can you masterminds throw something together for much?
        This should fit the bill...
        http://undefinition.googlepages.com/diy-chinasyndrome
        plus center channel
        http://undefinition.googlepages.com/diy-chinasyndromecc
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        • #5
          Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

          Originally posted by Tony Nelson View Post
          I just talked to my buddy...He said he will spend 1000 on speakers, reciever not included. So that leaves like 600 or so for speakers.

          Can you masterminds throw something together for much?
          You aren't gong to get much decency with off-the-shelf xovers. Not many here will advise you go that route.

          600 for the whole shebang leaves not much if sub is included.

          The sub-amp you posted is $325 (BASH is cheaper and as effective), driver normally $150 for fantastic quality, and cuts your plan in half.
          This leaves about $525 for all 5, and about $105 each for xovers and drivers.

          Most uber-budget sets are $100/pair for drivers/xovers, so you can get quite a bit. However, this does not include termainals, stuffing/padding, wiring or boards for xover build, finishing with paint or stain, tools for the job, etc..

          If it were me, on this budget, I would choose a little less for the satellites to get a bigger sub, and that would still allow these:

          Roman's "Microbe" SE and standard:
          http://www.rjbaudio.com/Microbe%20SE/microbe%20SE.html
          http://www.rjbaudio.com/Microbe/microbe.html

          LouC's "C-Killa"
          http://www.lonesaguaro.com/speakers/ckilla/CKilla.html

          Paul Carmody's stuff is almost all in your budget:
          http://undefinition.googlepages.com/diy

          Some of the cheaper 'zaph' stuff:
          http://www.zaphaudio.com/

          Shawn's 'Silver Al UE':
          http://www.retrieveraudiolabs.com/Re...ilver_Als.html

          My stuff, the ones that qualify (writeups in my blog):
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...th_speaker/2i/
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...aker/Antigens/
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...peaker/Canvas/
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...Dragon%20Foal/
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...er/Sophomores/
          Suffix TM only:
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...peaker/Suffix/


          And you could also run LouC's 'Shticks' with my 'Twigs' or 'Switch';
          http://www.lonesaguaro.com/speakers/shtick/Shtick.html
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...speaker/Twigs/
          http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...peaker/Switch/

          There are many more options, but these are the first that come to mind.

          Now- what are you aiming for in particular? Any other ideas about drivers that interest you?
          Wolf
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          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?u=4102

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            Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

            Thanks for the reply wolf. but it is 1000 for speakers and sub. So after the subwoofer, there would be like 600 just for the speakers. I could talk him into a little more money if needed. He is also going to buy a 50in to 60in flat screen to go with all of this. And a blu-ray player as well. So this will be like $2000 or more all said and done.

            I could do custom crossovers if needed, I have put them together before. And I will probably talk him into getting the Elemental Designs EQ.2 for the subwoofer, to add some EQ to it and a subsonic filter.

            We could cut down the mains from towers to just bookshelf speakers, as long as they are pretty loud. He listens to rock mostly, and pretty loud. He is used to some cheap KLH bookshelf speakers, So I figured about anything we design and build with the help of you guys should be better then those.
            What's life without a little boom...

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              Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

              Sry wolf, ya it would be like 525 to 600 for speakers, my mistake..read that wrong
              What's life without a little boom...

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              • #8
                Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                Originally posted by Tony Nelson View Post
                I could do custom crossovers if needed, I have put them together before. And I will probably talk him into getting the Elemental Designs EQ.2 for the subwoofer, to add some EQ to it and a subsonic filter.
                Consider the o-audio500 bash amp. It has all of the features of the Bash500 sold here and one parametric band of eq.

                That sounds like a good idea. I would consider also looking at the Behringer Feedback Destroyer. It has more bands of eq and the cost is similar.

                If your friend wants loud on a budget these should do. Nice choice for the mains. Either that or a pair of the popular Tritrix. http://www.parts-express.com/project...ject=daytonIII This is a well documented and proven design that is budget conscious.

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                  Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                  Originally posted by brianpowers27 View Post
                  Consider the o-audio500 bash amp. It has all of the features of the Bash500 sold here and one parametric band of eq.

                  That sounds like a good idea. I would consider also looking at the Behringer Feedback Destroyer. It has more bands of eq and the cost is similar.

                  If your friend wants loud on a budget these should do. Nice choice for the mains. Either that or a pair of the popular Tritrix. http://www.parts-express.com/project...ject=daytonIII This is a well documented and proven design that is budget conscious.
                  Those look pretty good. I have always wanted to use that same tweeter in a build, but I haven't actually built anything for myself, its always for other ppl. Whether car audio or HT. I really enjoy the DIY stuff, and the quality is usually pretty high. Do the dayton classic woofers sound pretty good? or would the RS line be a better choice?
                  What's life without a little boom...

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                    Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                    Originally posted by Tony Nelson View Post
                    Those look pretty good. I have always wanted to use that same tweeter in a build, but I haven't actually built anything for myself, its always for other ppl. Whether car audio or HT. I really enjoy the DIY stuff, and the quality is usually pretty high. Do the dayton classic woofers sound pretty good? or would the RS line be a better choice?
                    As always... THe overall design is what really counts. I believe a well designed rs speaker will outperform.

                    I suggested that because you could build 5 and be close to budget. I recommend those for mains. I don't know how well it would work for a center though. For that matter, most people should use something that blends into the room better for surrounds.

                    If this system is mostly for music then invest heavily in mains, otherwise spread the budget more evenly.

                    Don't forget to factor in oops money and money for building materials. Little parts add up (Screw, glue, polyurethane,etc...)

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                    • #11
                      Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                      Originally posted by brianpowers27 View Post
                      As always... THe overall design is what really counts. I believe a well designed rs speaker will outperform.

                      I suggested that because you could build 5 and be close to budget. I recommend those for mains. I don't know how well it would work for a center though. For that matter, most people should use something that blends into the room better for surrounds.

                      If this system is mostly for music then invest heavily in mains, otherwise spread the budget more evenly.

                      Don't forget to factor in oops money and money for building materials. Little parts add up (Screw, glue, polyurethane,etc...)
                      ya. I would say the split between HT/Music would be 60/40 ish. And I am pretty set on the Shiva-x with either the P.E. bash amp or the O-Audio bash amp. both 500 watt.

                      We will be barrowing his dad's shop, which has plenty of tools. minus routers. So we can't get too fancy on the enclosers with round overs and what not.
                      But I have put together plenty of boxes before and have some misc. parts layin around.

                      What would you recommend for center channel? could I use those same two drivers but the shielded versions of both? In a sealed design? And what about the surrounds, One classic woofer and that same tweeter be ok? Ported or sealed?
                      What's life without a little boom...

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                      • #12
                        Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                        Here's a question: when you are rockin' out, do you want just the mains to play, or the mains & the sub. Of course I am sure you will experiment with both but maybe you have a preference. This choice may lead you down a different path. As in my limited experience, I haven't found a small 2 way to satisfy the killer thump in the chest that I like alot. I think a solid 8 or 10 inch is needed for LOUD crankin of music such as a lot of '80s hair bands.

                        But we are all different. Just my 2 cents.
                        If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me?

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                          Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                          Originally posted by Tony Nelson View Post
                          What would you recommend for center channel? could I use those same two drivers but the shielded versions of both? In a sealed design? And what about the surrounds, One classic woofer and that same tweeter be ok? Ported or sealed?
                          Pick a proven design from one of the ones mentioned above. I don't necessarily think that the surrounds need to match the rears. For the center... Build the triune center or the tritrix.

                          +1 for kids advice. I think a normal 2 way doesn't cut it for mains. A MTM is a better option and a three way is better yet.

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                          • #14
                            Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                            Originally posted by the kid View Post
                            Here's a question: when you are rockin' out, do you want just the mains to play, or the mains & the sub. Of course I am sure you will experiment with both but maybe you have a preference. This choice may lead you down a different path. As in my limited experience, I haven't found a small 2 way to satisfy the killer thump in the chest that I like alot. I think a solid 8 or 10 inch is needed for LOUD crankin of music such as a lot of '80s hair bands.

                            But we are all different. Just my 2 cents.
                            If I said small two ways for mains, I didn't mean too. My original idea was to use a MTM or TMWW design. and towers if all possible just cuz I think they are pretty sweet. And I would imagine he would have the subwoofer playing as well when he is "Rockin" out. :D He is a bass head at heart, so the subwoofer will probably always be getting a work out, whether a movie or music. ;)

                            should I go with two 6.5 inch woofers, or one 8in woofer for mains? And I could do a 3-way as well, depending on what the cost comes out to.

                            He hasn't heard any real sound system other then like all in one POS and stuff like that. Especially hasn't heard a real subwoofer except for mine, and his will out do mine easily. It's no 15 but should do over 100db's at 20hz I would imagine.

                            So he will probably be really happy with whatever we put together.
                            What's life without a little boom...

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                              Re: New HT system. Need some help Please!!

                              Originally posted by brianpowers27 View Post
                              Pick a proven design from one of the ones mentioned above. I don't necessarily think that the surrounds need to match the rears. For the center... Build the triune center or the tritrix.

                              +1 for kids advice. I think a normal 2 way doesn't cut it for mains. A MTM is a better option and a three way is better yet.
                              I know MTM is better. I plan on doing that. All I need really is crossover design help I guess. I can plug numbers into bassbox 6 and decide of box volumes and tuning frequencies.

                              Is there a program that helps with crossover design? or where can I find out how to design one properly? Can you guys help put one together. I'm pretty sure i'm going to use dayton classics and the DC28F-8 tweeters through out. Seems like a good match?
                              What's life without a little boom...

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