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  • #76
    Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

    Aluminum has an effect on a magnetic field though...

    That was my point about aluminum phase plugs more than the mechanical resonance... An electromagnetic effect could come into play due to the properties of aluminum and its behavior near magnetic flux lines.

    This is why there are magnets near where you read the aluminum pointer on a three-beam balance, it steadies the see-saw motion of a precision scale kind of like a mini shock absorber.

    I remember in a college level physics class, the professor had a spherical magnet that he dropped down an aluminum tube, and it took considerably longer than you would think for the magnet to reach the other end. Eddy currents were the culprit, on a physical level not necessarily like in electronics where the term is used more commonly.

    Aluminum has important properties to consider when shielding electromagnetic devices and designing transformer cores and the such... Which leads me to believe that it has some effect on the whole system when used in speaker construction, whether negligible or not. (brass would too, metals don't have to be ferrous to interact with magnets)

    I can't tell you more about it, besides the fact that it exists because I've never seen any research on the matter. I'm interested in testing this now to see what effects of this property can be measured. Hmm.

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    • #77
      Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

      And some drivers use aluminum windings in their voice-coils. Those are quite decidedly electromagnetic.

      Is there a consistent trait associated with aluminum windings or formers in the speaker design world?

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      • #78
        Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

        Originally posted by jimustanguitar View Post
        And some drivers use aluminum windings in their voice-coils. Those are quite decidedly electromagnetic.

        Is there a consistent trait associated with aluminum windings or formers in the speaker design world?
        Aluminum is used because it's abundant, inexpensive, light weight, dissipates heat and can be formed easily. Aluminum is nonferrous and nonmagnetic. You can induce eddy currents in aluminum, but you have an air gap in the voice coil for thermal purposes, which probably inhibits those currents somewhat. I'm not completely sure about eddy currents in a voice coil, maybe Daryl can comment.

        Some manufacturers wind their voice coils with aluminum wire too.
        I'm sure that the engineers who design woofers take everything into consideration, plenty of before and after testing.

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        • #79
          Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

          My initial assumption (what I want to think without any real facts or knowledge) is that it would help dampen undesirable harmonics and distortion...

          I don't know how the aluminum knows what is desirable and what is not though. Haha.

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          • #80
            Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

            Maybe they're going to be made of aluminum no matter what, ad this poll is about color? If you were engineering a woofer, would you leave anything outside things that don't affect performance to a forum poll?
            18hz is scary.

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            • #81
              Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

              Engineering and marketing are two separate things. This poll is all about marketing.
              Bill Schneider
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              • #82
                Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                In that case... Go with aluminum for sure. Silver will match anything, and it looks clean. Brass looks gaudy unless it is anodized another color.

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                • #83
                  Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                  I would vote for aluminum.

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                  • #84
                    Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                    If I had my choice it'd be copper, since I don't....brass it is. Yeah aluminum does go with any color, but if it was brass it might make you think a bit about what woods/finishes might accent that brass/black combo. The removable idea is a really cool deal, then you could machine a phase plug out of anything imaginable.
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                    • #85
                      Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                      What hifi manufacturer (correct me if I'm remembering this wrong) used to make a speaker component out of a material that they did not want to disclose so they called it unobtainium ?

                      I forget, maybe it was one of the first beryllium tweeters or something like that.

                      Since then, I've developed ideas for several inventions that require unobtainium to work right. I gotta get some of that stuff. And soon!

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                      • #86
                        Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                        I might suggest aluminum plated with copper? It's a relatively inexpensive and simple procedure that would give an attractive look without the nasty expense of solid copper.

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                        • #87
                          Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                          I had to choose Brassnium to go with the screws. I had a choice of a Goldium tweeter but it was $25 more.

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                          • #88
                            Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                            I was just about to suggest that (plating with Cu) :D

                            Tang Band have done it: (8'' Full-range)

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                            • #89
                              Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                              So......what ever became of this? It looks as though brass won out, but did anyone ever hear about the driver that was being "spec'd out"....did they make it? Who, what, where, when? Is there a cone material chosen yet? What happened?

                              John
                              If it doesn't fit right the first time, you obviously need to use a larger hammer. :p

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                              • #90
                                Re: CAST YOUR VOTE: Phase plugs AL or Brass

                                I'm sure glad Copper was not an option in the poll because copper phase plugs are SOOO ugly, and nothing short of cheap plastic could be worse than fake copper (copper colored aluminum). Fake stuff is so annoying. Like fake air vents on wanna-be supercars.
                                "...this is not a subwoofer" - Jeff Bagby ;)

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