OT: I love veneering!

[mtmpenn]

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So you heatlock raw veneer without problems?
Good to know. There seems to be considerable controversy around this practice. There are a few threads were people advise strongly against it, but it certainly seems to work well for you.

Mike

[DoubleTap]

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I have yet to veneer on roundovers. Someone else would be better equiped to answer that.

Heat Lock is the way to do roundovers. If the veneer is too brittle to wrap around your roundover, use some of the softener from veneersupplies.com. But beware, if you've spliced 2 pieces of veneer and then heat lock them, they WILL shrink and your seam will open up. I get around that by sticking a wood kabob skewer under the seam when I lay it down, then pull it out once I've ironed enough to hold it in place. The little bit of lift from the skewer is perfect to give it room to contract when heated. That's what I did on the Mappa Burl pair I just posted pics of, and the seams turned out perfect.

[biff]

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Curly, flamed, or tiger stripe are all usable terms for that type of grain. What ever you call it, it simply stunning to look at!! Still my fave...and I have a couple boards of that on stand by for my build! Oh and major props to you on your build!!

Gorgeous work, man! Flame Maple actually has an inclusion of an alternate colr, usually caramel, but occasionally pink or something else. If layers of figure have a fine black line separating them it is called spalting. These side panels have some flame figure.

[donparsons]

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I recall using 3 cans of primer and 5 cans of black paint on the B3S single driver speakers I did. It was a huge amouont of work. I plan on doing several veneer jobs soon with some Rosewood and Yew English Pippy I puchased at the linked site.

Look around on that website a bit. There is some great stuff at very good prices. When I called to order i talked with the owner for about a half hour. He is very enthusiastic.

I have yet to veneer on roundovers. Someone else would be better equiped to answer that.

Interesting, I'd have thought it would be a lot more than that. After all, rattle cans add up as well, I know that I went throughat least seven on my last build, so close to a wash, at worst. Do you think that veneer could be wrapped around a 1/2" roundover? Or is getting a 3/4" going to be a prerequisite? And then how hard is THAT?

Great looking stuff, BTW, as is yours, pecker...and of course Double Tap, you build some good, good stuff!



Mark

[DoubleTap]

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A bit of impatience today Sun is out, and although it's only 30 on the back deck, it feels like summer! So I got the cabs sanded, 400grit, 600grit, then wet sand with 2000grit. Normally I'd leave them there until after cutting the driver holes, but I just had to hand buff one with some Briwax and take pictures.

BTW, waxes like Briwax and Black Bison are often overlooked by DIY speaker builders for some reason, but you should definately have some in your finishing kit.

[Mark65]

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12" x 18" here for $7.66 per sheet. Cheaper than spray paint!

http://www.wood-veneers.com/Maple_Qu...185-1_JPG.html

Interesting, I'd have thought it would be a lot more than that. After all, rattle cans add up as well, I know that I went throughat least seven on my last build, so close to a wash, at worst. Do you think that veneer could be wrapped around a 1/2" roundover? Or is getting a 3/4" going to be a prerequisite? And then how hard is THAT?

Great looking stuff, BTW, as is yours, pecker...and of course Double Tap, you build some good, good stuff!



Mark

[donparsons]

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Perhaps a bit of an exageration, but not the huge expense that Mark was making it out to be. 6 sheets would cover a bookshlef pair. That was the first bit I looked at too. There might be a better deal yet. And they would look nicer than a typical rattle can paint finish. IMO paint is hard and time is money.

Mark's someday doesn't have to be that far off...

Cheaper than spray paint? Uhmm, how much of speaker do you think you can cover with a single 12"x18" sheet?

Veneer isn't that expensive, but it certainly does add up. And you always want a couple extra sheets for the panels you screw up and have to re-cover.

[DoubleTap]

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12" x 18" here for $7.66 per sheet. Cheaper than spray paint!

http://www.wood-veneers.com/Maple_Qu...185-1_JPG.html

Cheaper than spray paint? Uhmm, how much of speaker do you think you can cover with a single 12"x18" sheet?

Veneer isn't that expensive, but it certainly does add up. And you always want a couple extra sheets for the panels you screw up and have to re-cover.

[pecker]

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Someday, I'd love to do something with the AAA quilted maple that you see on guitar bodies by PRS, Carvin, Brian Moore, etc.

The solid wood is way out of my price range, though, and I imagine the veneer is a little dear, as well. :(

Still....someday...;)


Mark

I once managed to find a piece of quilted maple lumber that was almost a perfect match for a small flitch of veneer. It wasn't too costly...less than $50 for board + veneer.


But those AAAA boards you see on ebay are rather expensive to anyone but a master luthier.

[donparsons]

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12" x 18" here for $7.66 per sheet. Cheaper than spray paint!

http://www.wood-veneers.com/Maple_Quilted_Burl_8185-1_JPG.html

Someday, I'd love to do something with the AAA quilted maple that you see on guitar bodies by PRS, Carvin, Brian Moore, etc.

The solid wood is way out of my price range, though, and I imagine the veneer is a little dear, as well. :(

Still....someday...;)


Mark

[mtmpenn]

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Hey DoubleTap -
Those look stunning. How do you apply your veneer? Vacuum press?

Mike

[Mark65]

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Someday, I'd love to do something with the AAA quilted maple that you see on guitar bodies by PRS, Carvin, Brian Moore, etc.

The solid wood is way out of my price range, though, and I imagine the veneer is a little dear, as well. :(

Still....someday...;)


Mark

[J.Lee]

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Beautiful work Guys. Wood is so cool.

[6thplanet]

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Curly, flamed, or tiger stripe are all usable terms for that type of grain. What ever you call it, it simply stunning to look at!! Still my fave...and I have a couple boards of that on stand by for my build! Oh and major props to you on your build!!

[DoubleTap]

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How many coats??!! 20!!! :eek: :eek:
Man, I am lucky to get 4 before I get too impatient (plus the weather never allows that many, always changing in TX). How many coats a day do you put on?
BTW, they look really, really nice. Love the mappa burl. Do you get any scratches from cutting the driver holes with the finish already on?

Thanks man ... that's the good thing about that Wunder Coat, dries fast and no smell so I can do it in the house during winter. I can get 3 coats a day on without problem. It builds up nice and sands well. I even did a piano finish with it once using the Gloss version, buffed it out with my Dewalt buffer and 3M compound. Beause of the voids in the burl is why I went that route. On veneer with a smooth face to begin with I try the more simple approach ... a bit of dye if I want to change the color, then tung oil, then Briwax.

Just puts plenty of masking tape on the front baffle and make sure there's nothing on the bottom of your router plate and you won't scratch it. I use the Router Buddy for cutting holes, and it has a nice smooth surface.