299-100 Buyout sub advice

[russwhite]

I am thinking of building a pair of subs for an HT using the the buyout 12" subs that PE has here:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/psho...number=299-100

I have not heard much about these drivers, are they any good? Are they worth the premium over say the Dayton 12" reference subs?

I am planning on using the 3ft PE sub cabs:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/psho...02-845&scqty=2

The home theater setup uses a processor and 1200W amp for each sub.

Should I go sealed or ported? Is there a better sub to use in that cabinet?

If I go ported some advice on tuning would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance to you kind folks for looking.

Cheers!
Russ

[Casshern]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

I'm no expert, but with a 3 cubic foot enclosure you'd want to be sealed with that guy. Assuming you can give it 500w it should play very nicely.

I couldn't make it play nicely in a 3 cubic foot enclosure while being vented.

Again, I'm no expert, just playing around with Unibox.

[russwhite]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

Thanks Cassern,

My gut feeling was the same, but I was not sure if I could get more out of the big xmax with a vented setup.

Cheers!
Russ

[evilskillit]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

Have you tried modeling it in WinISD or Unibox in a sealed 3 cu ft box. Would probably work pretty well. Nobody has tried that sub yet. Specs look pretty good, you get a lot more excursion than the Dayton Reference subs for the price.

However the Dayton Reference subs are known for low distortion and great "musicality" if you will. If you want something for music the Dayton Reference subs are hard to beat for the price. If you want something louder these might be good. However when you start talking about $200 for a 12" driver a lot of options open up including the Titanic 12" and 15" drivers, and a lot of options from the competition.

As far as good things about the buyout 12". VAS is low so they should play well in smaller boxes, and they've got lots of excursion. They'll probably be a bit power hungry.

[Chris Roemer]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

I'm no expert, but with a 3 cubic foot enclosure you'd want to be sealed with that guy. Assuming you can give it 500w it should play very nicely.

I couldn't make it play nicely in a 3 cubic foot enclosure while being vented.

Again, I'm no expert, just playing around with Unibox.

It's T/S parms indicate that it would reach 30 Hz in about a 1.6-1.7 cf vented box, tuned to about 30 Hz. Hard to tune a box that small, that low, with a 4"d vent. You can try slotted, otherwise a PR. If you put TWO into a 3.5 cf box, you'd end up with a 4 ohm load and have an easier time tuning it with a pair of 4"d vents. Even a pair of 3"d vents MIGHT do.

[JustinG]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

I am thinking of building a pair of subs for an HT using the the buyout 12" subs that PE has here:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/psho...number=299-100

I have not heard much about these drivers, are they any good? Are they worth the premium over say the Dayton 12" reference subs?

I am planning on using the 3ft PE sub cabs:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/psho...02-845&scqty=2

The home theater setup uses a processor and 1200W amp for each sub.

Should I go sealed or ported? Is there a better sub to use in that cabinet?

If I go ported some advice on tuning would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance to you kind folks for looking.

Cheers!
Russ

Looking at this:
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/product...pecifications/

It seems they put it in about 3.5 cubic feet tuned down to somewhere above 26 Hz to be down 10 dB @ 20Hz, they probably eq'ed that hump out

Actually playing around with unibox... putting it in 78 liters (85l is 3 cubic feet took out some for driver/port/etc.) tuned to 26 Hz will yield a pretty good system... F3 of 23Hz, F10 of 19.5Hz.

This driver kind of screams for more power though with that kind of excursion.

[JustinG]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

It's T/S parms indicate that it would reach 30 Hz in about a 1.6-1.7 cf vented box, tuned to about 30 Hz. Hard to tune a box that small, that low, with a 4"d vent. You can try slotted, otherwise a PR. If you put TWO into a 3.5 cf box, you'd end up with a 4 ohm load and have an easier time tuning it with a pair of 4"d vents. Even a pair of 3"d vents MIGHT do.

But with $400 dollars down the drain you could get a really nice sub...

Exhibit A:

http://www.diycable.com/main/product...roducts_id=681

[Tony Nelson]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

Or you could get two 18's for the price of one. $200 apiece. These are mean...
http://www.mach5audio.com/zen/index....23af72d2330376

[JustinG]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

Or you could get two 18's for the price of one. $200 apiece. These are mean...
http://www.mach5audio.com/zen/index....23af72d2330376

That looks eerily similar to the Maelstrom-X, but with 10mm less excursion (22 mm ain't bad though)

[Tony Nelson]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

That looks eerily similar to the Maelstrom-X, but with 10mm less excursion (22 mm ain't bad though)

Ya. One to one the Mael-X would beat it out. But two to one, I would give it to the mach 5. But then you would need room for 2 giant boxes, and have alot of power on tap. I have heard one though, and it puts out scary amount of bass.

Whatever you choose when talking that quality of subwoofer, I'm sure no one would be dissapointed. :D

[russwhite]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

Looking at this:

Actually playing around with unibox... putting it in 78 liters (85l is 3 cubic feet took out some for driver/port/etc.) tuned to 26 Hz will yield a pretty good system... F3 of 23Hz, F10 of 19.5Hz.

I could definitely live with that kind of response.

So a single 4" 13.75" port should work fine right?

Cheers!
Russ

[JustinG]

Re: 299-100 Buyout sub advice

I could definitely live with that kind of response.

So a single 4" 13.75" port should work fine right?

Cheers!
Russ

A single 4 inch would be pushing it, I would step up to a 5 inch or slot port with at least the area of the 5 inch.